-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:
At 1:36 AM -0600 11/20/96, snow wrote:
At 01:02 =EC=EC 19/11/1996 -0500, Clay Olbon II wrote:
with _serious_ issues of 'unemployability'., FURTHERMORE people are NEVER guilty before PROVEN so. Guilt or Innocence is NOT a matter of 'opinion',
Huh? People are most certainly guilty before "proven" so, the government just isn't allowed to _assume_ their guilt, or to _act_ like they are guilty.
If you purchase LSD in America, you are guilty of a felony--Drug trafficing. Wether the court _finds_ you guilty or not is another story.
In this case, the putative crime is "drug trafficking" or "possession," depending. One is still presumed innocent until proven guilty. To wit, the state must prove its case.
I rather suspect that any prosecutors or defense lawyers on this list will confirm that an LSD case is hardly a case of "guilty until proven innocent."
Whether you're _presumed_ innocent or not isn't the point he was making. If you commit a crime, you are guilty of that crime, proven or not. You might not be _proven guilty_ in court, which you have to be in order to be convicted, and you are still _presumed_ innocent. But you're still guilty of the crime. --Deviant Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself. -- Friedrich Nietzsche -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQEVAwUBMpOdcTCdEh3oIPAVAQGICgf+Nblm9lfworbBpqHp1xqnKKBqJj9EZNIA W17r/RY7TcYJmsVZY3h5jwShvdyZt+Ou04TrQK7t9ZjPqgYyWd5y/P0+tg71dCZn C/H1IVMLLFn3LR8noXMDznV4NSK0edlYvkgha2DeJGFVpQ2vMg+ck911/oLM3jFK t7guwVc4/lDahQXtm03/SwBT3H8e7Np74k7X8k2Zge3wbJoqTiLnykTQOKIuAC9Q +CqJPBoUSkIaYYbn+S5ZCFjNRvwJyGAiEqLeghVY/fRB1ufZT8m7/0wHsmQJPULS B7mNRZqtYUwGABmfZ5OzlyDag+DFSD56/xhaB3977c8APOVU5sj0Yg== =Zwdy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----