It seems that all of the efforts to meet the DES Challenge are being sabotaged on one level or another. The des-challenge@muffin.org group have never been able to fly on more than one wing. The New Media Laboratories effort has been plagued by rogue clients and its participants being subjected to varieties of interference/trojan-horses. Peter Trei's software has been appearing on international servers, with bugs which don't match those in the original source code. Pointers to BryDES software have turned out to be misdirected, in many cases. I suspect that if the 'New Coke' had hired RSA's people, that we would all be drinking their 'imitation Pepsi' product, instead of 'Classic Coke', as God intended us to do. Crayola had the foresight to call upon RSA's expertise, and, as a result, the wool was pulled over the public's eyes and they came to accept the 'new' colors, even though they are part of the 'plot' against the Visual Illuminatti. Perhaps these new revelations will lead to people taking my posts to this list more seriously in the future. -- Toto ----------------------------- "The Xenix Chainsaw Massacre" http://bureau42.base.org/public/xenix/xenbody.html