Hype about Java and a move to a policy based security mechanism are not incompatible. Perry's security model will probably be NO Java, NO Livescript. Mine might be only Java signed by McAffee can get more than 3 seconds of CPU time, or access remote network ports on the server it came from, no other code can run. Adam Perry E. Metzger wrote: | Sadly, Java hype has become a giant industry, and the hype machine | assures that honesty about Java is going to continue to decline. Java | has become a major stock booster for Sun and other | companies. Congenital Java security holes aren't going to get serious | attention because whether one likes it or not Sun's stock is impacted | by the whole thing. -- "It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once." -Hume