The point is, RAH claimed that selling adult verification services using bearer credentials would be safe because, get this, the porn merchants would pay the verification service using anonymous ecash! First, there is no ecash and so this isn't a reasonable first step towards getting bearer credentials established and in use. Second, the supposed safety and blindness to the evilness of the business partners is solely due to the ecash. The verification service could use simple credit card numbers and passwords exactly as is done today, and still get all the benefits of deniability with regard to knowledge of the evil wares being sold. It is the ecash which provides the blindness on that side. Blinding the customers doesn't help at all in that regard. So RAH was doubly wrong to imply that bearer credentials would have helped out in this case where an age verification service is being prosecuted because one of their clients is selling kiddy porn. And if you can think outside the cypherpunk box for a minute, maybe this will shed a little light on why the MTB didn't get into bed with pornographers. If RAH thinks he can con people into building a business on this model he better think again. Obvious. ________________________________________________________________________ Total Internet Privacy -- get your Freedom Nym at http://www.freedom.net