Re: [HSF] Freedom of speech takes a back seat to Title 17 of the US Code[OT]

6 Jul 2018

      The next paragraphs might be blasphemy.

Let me say first that I don9t buy into that whole 3you didn9t build that2
Obama-type rhetoric.  I think that was really a Freudian-slip on his part,
allowing the listener into the workings of his thoughts and attitudes.  I
think that what is paid for is a settled account, and that we can not
ascribe future debt to individuals or businesses as an excuse for levying
taxes (redistributing wealth).

Having said that, let me state that my thesis is that, through direct and
indirect means, state sponsored research is made possible by all of us.  It
is the fuel that allows the ideas and theories of authors to travel into the
light of day.  It is proximate support.  That support allows the geniuses
among us (many on this forum) to 3push the human race forward.2

Please examine the life cycle of a scholarly paper.  It starts with an idea.
It is supported by the hierarchy of the academic department, funds are
found, experiments performed or data collected.  It is written and
re-written, and submitted to a journal for publication.  How much do you pay
to the publisher for the right of publication?  It is reviewed by a panel of
3experts2 and given thumbs up or thumbs down with the potential for
acceptance after revision.  Those interested in the subject read the paper,
perhaps comment on it, perhaps being inspired to do their own experiments or
collect their own data.

What role does a publisher play?  They certainly collect the money.  I did a
pro forma for a presentation I wanted to but never gave to a company in
Silicon Valley, looking at how much Elsevier made annually on the Annals of
Thoracic Surgery.  It was impossible to say exactly, but I think it is
somewhere between $825,000 and $3.2 million, depending on the number and
type of subscriptions and advertising.

So here is where I blaspheme.  Why do we need publishers? Why can9t we as
experts self-publish our journals?  What added value does a publishing house
provide to science and medicine?  They hold knowledge hostage.  They silo
and segment knowledge making it more cumbersome to access.  They suck up
huge sums of money.  Is there still a Journal of Mechanical Circulatory
Support?  If not, why.  If so, then why aren9t I seeing its articles?  What
are/were the pressures that caused success or failure?  Were you given equal
footing with other publications? Was it a victim of the impact factor?

I propose that we do to scholarly journals what Steve Jobs did to music
publishers: make an iTunes-like store.  Articles are songs, journals are
CD9s, and publishers become much less important and influential - yet they
still live.  There are no more paper journals, only files.  And, breaking
free of paper, we can routinely add rich media to our articles to enhance
clarity and understanding.  No more extra payment to Lippincott for a color
photo in the article.  The cost of digital storage is so cheap, that a
year9s worth of a journal9s content would cost less than $1 per month.  If
you subscribe then you get full text access.  If you don9t, then you buy an
article for $1.00.  Sometimes even a heart surgeon needs an article from the
Annals of Internal Medicine, and, believe it or not, many doctors do not
have access to an 3institutional2 subscription.  There is a lot of
healthcare provided in towns with populations < 50,000 people and not in a
university.  

The new 3apps2 put forth by publishing houses are attempts to squelch
evolution, not enhance it.  It is a middle aged parent trying to be 3hip2
but it just doesn9t fly.  It is your father9s internet, and it is the same
old crap.

In case your wondering, I have the infrastructure all worked out.  You will
love it more than getting a fresh new JTCVS in the mail every month.

Ed Bender, MD

On 1/14/13 1:56 PM, "Michael Firstenberg"  wrote:
...
As I recall, research publications that are supported under an NIH or similar
funded grant is supposed to be available for free
Most, if not all of us, hopefully thru our hospital affiliations have some
degree of "free access" to mainstream medical literature - although clearly
not all.
Many major Journals do make their content free after a peroid of ~6-12 months
Most authors are allowed to provide free PDF copies of their work to those who
request it
Much of the article charges that you mention tend to be related to industry
activities that want to use the data in marketing
... and while you and I may had already 'paid' for the research (I assume you
mean taxes and donations) - we have not paid for the storage and distribution
of the results or all of the work that goes into transforming your MSWord file
into an acceptable PDF layout.
yes - this is more complex than an answer over the phone - but published
material is copyrighted and while the laws are, according to some, out-dated
by digital standard - it is the law and you are more than welcome to propose a
solution to the protection and rights of intellectual property.
Go ask Rolling Stone or the Times (where this article was published) for a
Free copy of an article that they published and see what they say.....
I am interested in your response when you get back to a computer......
-m
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Edward Bender  wrote:
...
This deserves a response that can't be well written on a phone.  However, as
an intro, you and I have paid for this research.  Should you pay Elsevier $20
for a current article?
Ed Bender, MD
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On Jan 14, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Michael Firstenberg  wrote:
...
Ed,
Being the computer guru that you are - I have a few questions....
you, your company, institution whomever invests millions in hardware,
software, support, resource to populate and maintain a database for some
cause - and all of a sudden someone liberates all of that data and says it
must be free.  Who is suppose to pay for the support and upkeep of the
system - or do you prefer a Facebook/Google type approach of targeted
advertising bombarding everyplace you visit.  Or should we just raise taxes
more to pay for some of these systems in which a nominal support fee was
charged to access the data?
Obviously these issues are a little more complex and this case is beyond
tragic - to lose such a brilliant mind - but also remember, as a music
fan/historian - many brilliant minds are lost before their time due to
mental health related issues.
-michael
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Edward Bender 
wrote:
...
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/technology/aaron-swartz-a-data-crusader-a
nd-now-a-cause.html
This is as tragic as it gets.  Even the company whom he invaded did not
want to press charges (he worked with them also), but a minor league
prosecutor, under the guise of self-righteous legal fundamentalism (read
Taliban-like dogma) mightily contributed to the death of this poor genius.
 What is right about this?  It may be legal, but it is certainly not right.
Ed Bender, MD
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