On Monday, October 15, 2001, at 06:07 PM, Luthor Blisset wrote:
At 05:39 PM 10/15/01 -0700, somebody wrote:
5000 people went through a 1000-degree meat grinder on 9/11 without an opportunity for any due process, and don't fucking forget it.
Do you seriously think that justifies suspension of due process? If you don't, why did you bring it up? That aside, I think it's been sufficiently demonstrated that you shouldn't treat people like collateral damage unless you wish to receive similar consideration...
The Constitution applies at _all_ times. It is not something that is only for nice, calm situations. The Bill of Rights does not say that the various parts of the Bill of Rights are suspendable when someone decides there is some reason to. This means the USA Bill, with its suspension of big chunks of the Fourth Amendment, is ipso facto unconstitutional. My belief is that every Congresscritter who voted to pass this USA Bill should be tried and executed. As for the 600 "Arabic-looking" men (maybe a few women, I don't know) being held without charges being filed in a timely way, I'll chortle if even 10 of them become vengeance-seekers in the next 10 years. Someone held unjustly, without charges being filed, is morally obliged to kill his oppressors. --Tim May, Citizen-unit of of the once free United States " The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. "--Thomas Jefferson, 1787