<cryptography@metzdowd.com> Subject: Re: Has there been a change in US banking regulations recently?
who's your enemy? The NSA? The SVR? Or garden-variety cybercrooks?
"Enemy"? We don't have to be the enemy for someone to crack our security. We merely have to be in the way of something they want; or to be a convenient tool or foil in executing a strategy. Given the prevalence of Chinese crypto researchers at the open crypto conferences, I suspect that China is as much of a threat as the US's National Security Agency, Russia's Sluzhba Vneshney Razvedki, India's Research and Analysis Wing, Japan's JCE8hCE8honbu, Israel's Mossad, or Brazil's AgbCbB*ncia Brasileira de InteligbCbB*nc. A small country with a good economy -- there are dozens more -- could also be such a threat, if they focused on this area. The big ones can crack RSA keys AND do all the other things big countries do. Many people on this list provide significant civilian or military infrastructures depended on by millions. When we know at least ten nations are grasping at having the power to take down arbitrary civilian infrastructures via cyberspace, we had better assume that somebody among them can spend tens of millions of dollars *per year* on key cracking. And how much work is it, really, for us to use longer keys? Not all of us are in the US. Those of us in the US perhaps have come to a complacency about being a superpower - we haven't fought a war on our own land, in which significant numbers of our own civilians died, in what, a century? The US government's idiotic response to 9/11 has made more enemies around the world every year, while simultaneously destroying the value of our currency. The best time for a foreign "enemy" to stop funding our $0.X trillion dollar a year debt would be right after taking down much of our civilian infrastructure. And perhaps it might be hard for Washington to raise a billion dollars a day in international bond sales, even from friendly countries, when the international financial networks had been subtly or completely compromised? Hell, half the people in this country would starve two days after their ATM cards stopped working. The whole point of the trillion dollar Bush and Obama bailouts (which were done by moving a few bits in a federal funds transfer network somewhere) was to avoid the specter of long lines around the block at bank branches, full of angry people failing to turn bits in bank accounting databases into paper or gold money. Such a spectre would be easy for a cracker to create -- and then how much confidence will people have in either the currency or the government? What keys secure that funds transfer network? Suppose an attacker merely multipled a random 10% of the transfers by 1000? Somebody wires you a thousand dollars, you have a 10% chance of it becoming a million. Wire a million, it might come through as a billion. Then you look at strategy: should they pay themselves back immediately for the cost of cracking the keys, then be quiet? Or should they just make everyone a billionaire and make the entire currency worthless? Did you think Adi Shamir's work on TWINKLE and TWIRL was theoretical? Israeli leadership is paranoid enough to regularly shoot their friends as well as their enemies, and usually in advance, on the theory of weakening them *before* they turn against Israel. And Israel would have a lot more geopolitical power in a world without superpowers. Did you think nobody else was designing or building such things? Thank Adi for publishing - but what he published might not have been his very best design. Why did this community wait until a DES cracker cost only $250,000 to build before thinking, duuh, maybe we should defend our infrastructure against DES crackers. How many countries had secret DES crackers before I built one publicly? To this day, no country has admitted having one -- yet I have been privately told that government experts were aware that the cost of building one was in the $250K range. Do you think they learned that merely by twirling a pencil at their desk, in agencies with budgets way over $100 million a year? (A private industry expert also told me that they'd been hoping the first public DES cracker would happen at least a year later than it did, to give them more time to secure their networks, e.g. before their bosses found out how vulnerable the previous design was.) In 2003, Shamir's estimate was that TWIRL could factor a 1024-bit number in a year at a cost of about $10M US dollars. More recent estimates are here: http://people.csail.mit.edu/tromer/cryptodev/ Either that page hasn't been updated since 2006-7 or there's been no published research since then. I encourage others to post more surveys of the cost of cracking RSA keys using dedicated hardware. A typical academic analysis, such as 1996's "Minimal Key Lengths for Symmetric Ciphers to Provide Adequate Security" said things like: Because ASICs require a far greater engineering investment than FPGAs and must be fabricated in quantity before they are economical, this approach is only available to serious, well-funded operations such as dedicated commercial (or criminal) enterprises and government intelligence agencies. But that was bullshit. Two years later, a team of about six guys designed and built a 1-week DES cracker for much less than what it costs to buy a condo in San Francisco. Circuit layout and fabrication services were readily available in the commercial market. Anybody who builds and deploys one machine that can crack RSA-1024 in a year will build more. The design is paid for; and it's cheaper to build them in quantity 10 than in quantity 1. Every year the tech can get better, too. After they've built 50, which perhaps only take six months to crack a key, will YOUR key be one of the 100 keys that they crack this year? How about next year? Smart allied countries - or criminals - would split up the work, attack different keys, and swap results, spreading the cost around -- two countries with banks of 50 6-mo machines could crack twice as deep down into the infrastructure, rather than both of them wasting their time cracking the same keys. It wouldn't even take much coordination; they could offer a key they've already cracked, to trade for another one. If somebody burns them and gets a cracked key while failing to provide one, big deal; they get one freebie. But if your partner keeps feeding you cracked keys that were on your list but you hadn't gotten to, you'd keep doing deals; it *halves* the cost of your cracking. Who'll do the math to figure out how to crack ten thousand keys in parallel in hardware? Such a device might not crack any particular key in a year, but it'll crack *some* of those keys in a year, depending on luck. Having such a machine would produce some interesting results if you were in the cracked-key trading market. You could probably trade some to people who value them more than you do, in return for keys that you value more. Now do you see why it's a bad idea that 90+% of keys are 1024 bits? When that size became vulnerable, it brought market forces to bear on the problem. If in fixing that mistake we make another sharp focus at some other size, as soon as that size becomes barely vulnerable, another key-cracking market will appear. It would be better if we had a hundred small markets at different sizes. There might be six critial keys you really want to crack with your new, expensive, slow, right-at-the-limit-of-viability 1200 bit cracker - but only six. To get the 1300-bit keys you'll need more years of design and semiconductor evolution. 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