Intercepted a live broadcast of a CA state board on privacy reviewing some breaching of a state comptroller's servers which manage state deductions. The "Teale Data Center" incident alluded to at http://www.privacy.ca.gov/stateemployee.htm and at the gnarly URL: http://www.ca.gov/state/govsite/gov_htmldisplay.jsp?BV_SessionID=@@@@1917707281.1023395486@@@@&BV_EngineID=cadceffmidlibemgcfkmchchi.0&sFilePath=%2fgovsite%2fpress_release%2f2002_05%2f20020531_PR02323_teale.html&sCatTitle=Press+Release&iOID=33866&sTitle=Press%2bRelease+++ One of the clueless legislativermin just couldn't understand how an IDS can tell that a system's been probed ("700,000 times a month") if it wasn't breached. And the hapless bureaucratechs failed to explain the simple explanation: that to probe, the system must be contacted via the network, and that contact is logged. Maybe they should have simply said "doorknob-checks" vs. "breakins". The same legislator had serious cognitive difficulty with the concept of a software patch. The more clueful failed to explain its like letting an author have another pass over a book. They can fix little things, or rip and replace chapters; the risk (and reason patches aren't instantly, blindly installed) being this can break the ways you've relied on the book. It was so tragic it was comic. ------- Give away the backplane, sell the blades