On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Leslie Todd Masco wrote:
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"I have a concern..."
Cypherunks First: Stipulated that any traffic has a 'right' to be on cypherpunks. However, cypherpunks is what we make it. Every time you post a message, consider the desirability of seeing a hundred or so messages just like it from every other readers' point of view. Content control begins at home.
Second: I'll remind the reader that one can easily evaluate an individual's past contributions to cypherpunks by looking at the archives' "by author" listing. If you post to cypherpunks, I'd suggest that you go back and look at what you've posted in the past to get a feel for how other people on the list see you.
There are options for those that don't want to read the noise. I do run a free filtering service, it's certainly not the best in the world, but it's available for free and all who want it. There are two more that I know of, one for free the other for pay. I'd like to filter the stuff I send according to topics, but I haven't yet written the tools to do so. As it is most of my subscribers are happy with the crappy service I provide, much happier than having the whole list delivered to them. Personally, I am interested in reading the whole list because even some of the noisy messages are worth reading (except for Perry's "This don't belong here" and *PLONK*'s. :) So there are options for those who want less noise. I do not beleive it is anyone's place to banish anyone from posting to the list, nor grading a person's worth based on past posts. Remember that the cypherpunks list is after all headless and should remain that way. The whole point is to have an anarchic, leaderless, moderatorless list. Now some Cpunx do have reputations for being on the ball. Tim and Hal being two such punx. That doesn't make them moderators, nor does it make them the only voices worth listening to, nor does it make them infallible or on-topic all the time either. Yet were to to instill a fascist moderated list, their voices would be squelched by definition of what doesn't fit. Not a cool thing IMNSHO. Certainly there are cross overs ranging from news bites to Mitnik to conspiracy-paranoia-punks, etc. I don't mind reading some of the shit to get to the good bits. You never know, even the shit messages have some worth in the long run. "If you filter, filter it yourself for yourself" is what I agree with. Now some folks think that the stuff I filter for them is exactly or close to what they want or better than having to do it themselves. Fine by me, I'm happy to filter stuff for them. As much as I'd like Perry to cut the shit and write code instead of spamming the spammers, I'd rather have to put up with the shit than to put up with restrictions on the list. Just my e$0.02. :) [Shameless plug: to subscribe to my list, send a >PRIVATE reply, don't reply such that the message will reach cypherpunks@toad.com with the subject being either "FCPUNX HELP" or "FCPUNX SUBSCRIBE" and no quotes... The 'bots that subscribe folks will refuse any subscription attemts that come via the actual cypherpunks list. :] ========================================================================== + ^ + | Ray Arachelian |Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness| _ |> \|/ |sunder@dorsai.org|is cleanliness and cleanliness is god-| \ | <--+-->| |liness and god is empty, just like me,| \| /|\ | Just Say |intoxicated with the maddness, I'm in| <|\ + v + | "No" to the NSA!|love with my sadness. (Pumpkins/Zero)| <| n ===================http://www.dorsai.org/~sunder/========================= [This Bible excerpt awaiting review under the Communications Decency Act] And then Lot said, "I have some mighty fine young virgin daughters. Why don't you boys just come on in and do em right here in my house - I'll just watch!"....Later, up in the mountains, the younger daughter said. "Dad's getting old. I say we should do him." So the two daughters got him drunk and did him all that night. Sure enough, Dad got em pregnant....Onan really hated the idea of doing his brother's wife and getting her pregnant while his brother got all the credit, so he whacked off first....Remember, it's not a good idea to have sex with your sister, your brother, your parents, your pet dog, or the farm animals. [excerpts from the Old Testament, Modern Vernacular Translation, TCM, 1996]