The meetings included break-out groups, each of which had a moderator (mine was from NSA -- were they all?) and each of which had a recorder who would then report to the entire assembled group. Jimmy was a recorder once -- one of the last to report on the second day. Nearly every person speaking from industry started his remarks with the same disclaimer: My comments on these criteria should not be taken as an endorsement of the concept of key escrow Jimmy Upton, rather than start his report with that disclaimer, suggested that perhaps we should have T-shirts made for conference attendees stating: "My comments on these criteria...." The crowd broke up in laughter and applause. Speaking of applause -- the assembled audience was relatively passive through most of the presentation -- but whenever someone expressed opposition to the whole concept of GAK, the entire auditorium applauded. Specifically -- I was sitting near the civil liberties group (ACLU, EPIC, VTW, ...) and they applauded but it came from all over the auditorium. There were some who didn't -- the gov't folks, a few industry folks, .... - Carl P.S. I've put a few additions on my home page, in response to this meeting. +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Carl M. Ellison cme@acm.org http://www.clark.net/pub/cme/home.html | |PGP: E0414C79B5AF36750217BC1A57386478 & 61E2DE7FCB9D7984E9C8048BA63221A2 | | ``Officer, officer, arrest that man! He's whistling a dirty song.'' | +----------------------------------------------------------- Jean Ellison -+