On Sep 05, 1996 10:27:34, 'tcmay@got.net (Timothy C. May)' wrote: Tim's right on the "old fogies." Providing you make the cut off at about 50-55. After that you get retro-infantiles like me (at 61) who have fallen head over heels for the Internet, and are absolutely fed up with being "mature-and-responsible" -- that truly sucks, sucks, sucks. Elsewhere in my field (architecture) I get accused by 40-55 year-olds of trying to brainwash the under-30s. You bet I am, to warn them off the "mature" assholes who think their warped experience is the best teacher, when in fact all it teaches is how to be bent out of shape, and how to project and promote that distortion as the definition of reality. That crippling narrow vision passes at about 50-55 when you realize that you don't know shit, never did and never will. Every fails, in the end, well before The End. So what. Laugh, don't go hurt somebody. Yep, self-deception is the certain sign of maturity, get used to it, it's as unavoidable as the wars mature folks, fearing mortality, wage to kill the helplessness in themselves. Still, I admire the ingenuity of under-30s and over 55s who can trick the middling-matures into serving us, keeping us clothed and sheltered -- and entertained at their pompous fatuities. Don't trust anyone between 30 and 55, especially those nuts with a Solution for The Problem They've Dreamed Up.