Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> writes:
Unfortunately I wasn't on cypherpunks-unedited at the time, but I thought that it was immediate send out from toad.com without going via Sandy.
Going over my notes I see that at least one of my submissions - the one quoting the C2Net lawyer letter in its entirety - didn't appear even on cypherpunks-unedited.
Just where was the Lawyer's letter? Did it have any telephone number on it? I want to call that guy and make sure it was really from him.
I think I saw this claim made before around the time of the "moderation experiment".
The only ways I can see that this could have happened are either that:
i) John Gilmore started editing cypherpunks-unedited at Sandy/C2net's request
ii) cypherpunks-unedited was edited all along by someone (John or Sandy)
Are John and Sandy still sucking and fucking each other?
i) is sort of feasible, perhaps there are others who were on unedited and were counting who could confirm this. Toto I think was.
Apparently a 'bot was installed on toad.com to discard my submissions from the "unedited" list _after my article which prompted the C2net threatening lawyer letter did make it through the "unedited" list (but was censored from the "flames" list by C2Net).
ii) is hard to believe because the fact that something is edited shows -- when the editor is sleeping you get lag.
I'm fairly sure I didn't see the C2 legal letter you posted yesterday before.
I'm sorry to have to return to this topic that's been beaten to death and causes me intense nausea. I figured I'll comment on two more attempts to revise history by lying C2Net shills from Hewlett Packard and Oracle.
Please recall that C2Net created 3 lists on toad.com: unedited flames C2Net-approved
At one point, all my submissions to cypherpunks appeared on "unedited" and then on "flames" with about a 3-second delay, indicating a 'bot at work. The 'bot was scrubbed when C2net decided that my writings were not suitable for auto- forwarding to the "flames" list either. For about a week, numerous articles by myself, Tim May, et al appeared on "unedited" but not on "flames".
Howver toward the end of the "moderation experiment" apparently a 'bot on toad.com was filtering my submissions from the 'unedited' list as well. My Jan 30th announcement that C2Net filtered out of the flames list _did show up on the unedited list. However my following articles, like the one quoting C2Net's threatening lawyer letter (which I cc'd to numerous people, including JYA, who, not surprisingly, declined to put it on his archive) did _not appear on the "unedited" list. Nevertheless at least one lying C2Net shill from Hewlett Packard claims that my articles appearing on the unedited list on January 30th prove that I wasn't being filtered from "unedited" one week later.
Another lying C2net shill, Jason E. Durbin, a technical writer for Oracle, just wrote in news.admin.net-abuse.policy:
}For those unfamiliar with the tactics Vulis uses when attempting to }destroy moderated fora, take a look at the current, ongoing thread }called "Stronghold" (and other variations on same) on the Cypherpunks }mailing list archived at: } }http://infinity.nus.sg/cypherpunks/current/date.html#start } }It summarizes (including Vulis' take on the situation) Vulis' attack }on the mailing list itself via a feigned attack on the Stronghold }security server. } }In summary, make such an annoyance of yourself by whatever means }necessary (posting binaries, running an insultbot, making false }accusations, etc.) to get yourself threatened with banishment, then }rally the free speech advocates by painting yourself as the innocent }harmed party even though no banishment occurred. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ } }Interesting insights into how Vulis attempts to manipulate his victims }into damning themselves while making him look like a victim. }Interesting reading.
"No banishment occured" - more bizarre lies from C2Net and their supporters.
Oh, and I don't recall sending binaries to this list either.
This reminds me of the claim by Rich Graves, another C2Net/Cygnus shill, that I'm sending "hundreds" of articles a day to this mailing list.
You may recall that the same C2net/Oracle shill Jason Durbin has been following up on my Usenet articles in sci.crypt, comp.unix.questions, etc with lies and libel: claiming, e.g., that I "lie about my credentials", that I don't even have a master's degree, etc. Is C2Net paying Jason Durbin to badmouth my academic credentials?
From Jason Durbin's Net.Scum page:
Jason E. Durbin, jdurbin@nl.oracle.com, jed@poisson.com, slothrop@poisson.com, jed@best.com, jed@netcom.com.
Jason claims to work for Poisson Corporation, 8 Avocet Drive, #211, Redwood Shores, CA 94065, tel +1 415 637 0435, JD503.
In real life, Jason is a lowly technical writer for Oracle Corporation, 500 Oracle Parkway, Redwood City, CA 94065, tel: +1 800 345 3267, +1 415 506 7000, (+1 605 506 7000), fax: +1 415 506 7200.
Jason's manager in the technical writing department is: Sanford Dreskin Mail Stop: MS-40P12 Office tel: +1 415 506 2181 Office fax: +1 415 506 7228 Home tel: +1 510 376 9526 Home addr: 859 Augusta Drive, Moraga, CA 94556-1051
In what ways are Durbin and the Hewlett-Packard liar affiliated with C2Net?
Yes, this c2Net needs investigated as a troublemaker.
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