When cyberpass started messing up a few weeks ago, I unsubbed there and resubbed at minder.net Several times, I've noticed that messages I sent were replied to long before I ever saw the original message come back. Yesterday I sent a message around 11AM, and just got the original back, over 24 hours later. I'm used to a delay of an hour or so, but this is ridiculous.... Here are the headers showing the delay taking place at minder (I've obscured some local nodes). Received: from minder.net-gate.com ([xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) by AAAAA.securitydynamics.com via smtpd (for BBBBB.securitydynamics.com [xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx]) with SMTP; 26 Jul 2001 15:22:40 UT 4+ hours between pax.m.n and RSA. Received: from waste.minder.net (root@waste.minder.net [64.80.76.82]) by pax.minder.net (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id f6QBagP81775; Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:36:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bmm@waste.minder.net) 20 hours holdup between waste.m.n and pax.m.n Received: (from majordom@localhost) by waste.minder.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA00895 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:07:58 -0400 Anyone else seen this? Peter Trei