You know, guys, it doesn't matter what sort of tax system is set up, if it doesn't begin with one very fundamentally, essential, crucial, important point: respect for the sovereignty of the individual. This means respect for their individual agreement, their informed consent, to any arrangement to be taken up by them. If, at any point in time - either before, during, or after a plan for obtaining moneys from citizen-units is instigated - it loses sight of the purpose for setting up the whole thing, then it's worthless anyway. If it doesn't support the highest ideal of humanity - unit by unit, individual by individual, human beings qua their separate existence - then it is not serving their purposes, but only the purpose of those who identify themselves as the State: employees of the State, leaders of the State, keepers of the State, goalies of the State, wards of the State, etc. If "members" are not extended the courtesy due to strangers, where one would normally inquire - "would you like to join us?" or "would you like to combine efforts with us in this endeavor to do ourselves a good" or "would you agree to support this organization in this manner?"; if instead their existence is taken for granted and their efforts treated as minor elements in the larger scheme of more important things, if their separate opinions are rolled up into a combined average, then what does it matter the benefits? What does it matter, the details? If there is no basic comprehension of respect, no display of respect, no provision in their Codes (legal codes, tax codes, etc.) for the methods of respectfulness - then where is the goodness in the rest of it, once you've lost your place in your hierarchy of values? People will then be operating in an mindless atmosphere of unconsciousness, an atmosphere lacking an appreciation for oneself as a unique creature, self-possessed and having their own reasons and purpose for living. Gradually they will lose the consciousness of themselves as being something other than a "member" of a collective, an identity not dependent upon recognition from the State, upon sanction from The Crowd for permission to move based on the independent exercise of judgement- be it to move about freely, or consume the chemicals of the Universe, or think unofficial thoughts, whatever. They could become like the "bird in a guilded cage" - having all the benefits of personal comfort, but without the ability or permission to pursue goals beyond what is tolerated within the boundaries of the Group Consciousness (can you say B-o-r-g), so that they may have more and more of the basic physical requirements, but less and less of themselves - of their own authority, of their own self-esteem, an esteem not pre-measured or pre-determined by the PC police, that constant reference in the back of their mind reminding them of the limits of their approved parameters. Nothing - no plan, no organization, no purpose, no method, no clever, cheaper, faster, more practical scheme - is worth supporting, if it degrades the concept, the idea, the reality, of respect for the boundaries of our separate existence. If it denies the recognition of self-ownership, if it ignores it, if it fails to account for it in word or deal with it in action, then eventually it will transgress these boundaries with impunity and an air of overbearing self-righteousness, and you will lose what is most important of all. You could "gain the world" (of tax-extorted benefits), but lose your Self. (of course some people don't propose to have one, and so wouldn't miss it or complain over its absence) .. Blanc