I've thoroughly read the blog post about the position of Tor regarding the Online presence within Facebook and G+ and I'd like to use these short lines to express my point of view. Let me state in advance that I'm not particularly fond of neither FB nor G+ policies, but that does not prevent me to strongly think that Tor should be present whithin both these SN. First of all telling Twitter is a better place to stay and others should be avoided is not a suitable answer: Twitter has been known to censor HashTags, to sell the entire feed, just for example. On the second point I strongly believe in Tor's educational mission: avoiding a widespread used medium insetad of using it in the best possible way is IMHO very wrong. On the third point it should be taken into consideration that an unofficial BF Fan page is already present with 5000+ fans: the newborn one is in less than a week 300+ fans strong and there are numerous other unofficial smaller ones. In these pages users ask for help, write comments and feedbacks. The same is true for G+, where 100+ people has added Tor page in their circles. These numbers alone should demonstrate without further doubt that there is a more than sizable part of the users who strongly prefer to interact with the Tor Project using these SM channels instead of IRC. Even if some people strongly object to the use of these channel, I strongly believe that democracy itself is based on allowing users the same chance to express themselves in their preferred form, giving all the same chance to obtain what seem to be just and fair. It is not time to understand if Tor Project is ready or not to embrace these prerogatives and to open up to Social: if no-one cares likes and following a page is not mandatory, but for those who are eager to follow the chance to talk to the Tor Project will be there, even in "the enemy territory". You can even look at this as opening a representative place, a safe harbour, a little outpost directly within the enemy's line, giving chance to talk to users about our views of the SN and what we think is evil within their policies. It's time to take a strong and sure direction, without dubts. That, of course, will add-up to other more worldly problems of not being present: some people will surely think Tor is anachronistic, not fit for the new generations, and someone other could open up a fake "official" page with could lead to scams, wrong downloads etc... This is only my very humble opinion, open for discussion and, why not, for disagreement with me. Best, Andrea _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl <a href="http://leitl.org">leitl</a> http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE