Agreed: It seems pretty obvious that it's not an accident. The question is, who? On Feb 9, 2008, at 10:07 AM, Tyler Durden wrote:
Well, those are particularly interesting questions though I haven't given a lot of thought to yet.
One of the things to notice is that these are fairly shallow waters in general. And while I don't believe a scuba diver went down with a hedge clippers, my assumption had been that someone had figured out some relatively low-tech way to do it, and is probably trying much more often than succeeding.
That said, these cables are not easy to break, not even by large boat anchors: The cost of fixing a less engineered design would rapidly make it worthwhile to ensure they can withstand a LOT, and they can. So I think it's worthwhile considering who has the ability to do this sans clever tactics.
I was actually surprised to hear that two cables in close proximity were broken and considered that not a coincidence. After three the pattern was becoming clear.
checked on it's pyhsical status); and there are only two countries > suspected of having the required type of sub (Israel and Russia) besides > the US. I would have thought Israel but for the heavy targetting of > French
Certainly once the third cut happened,> things look pretty suspicious even if>
not to be a cable cut,> just some kind of equipment power problem.> they don't turn out deserve it.> And there are different kinds of terrorists> > out there -> the ones that wear government uniforms (or wear cheap suits> but> > work for governments) don't always take the credit
'terrorists' take credit and are proud of their> > actions.> >nothing of that kind has happened yet.> >I guess that satellite> > communication is another alternative.> > Satellites have very limited> > bandwidth compared to fiber.> They may be ok for countries that don't have> > useful infrastructure,> like Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of Africa,> but they> > don't begin to replace
-TD> Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 17:36:30 -0600> From: measl@mfn.org> To: camera_lumina@hotmail.com> CC: bill.stewart@pobox.com; cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net> Subject: RE: undersea cable cuts> > > Um, thats *five* cuts. And not random cuts either - they are specifically > targetting both sides of the rings. This is someone who truly understands > the tech - they are not just cutting random cables, they are cutting the > right cables in the right sequence.> > I have been having an offline talk with a small group since this started, > and none of us believed it was "random" after cut #4, and I am pretty > certain everyone of us believes it's a pro.> > The question is *who*? The parche is in fact decomm'd (one of the group property, and I cant find any reason for it to be Russia other than > there is nobody else. Of course, I dont see what the various spook > facilities do, so who knows, maybe everyone has sea-floor open to the > water cable subs docking these days?> > -- > Yours,> J.A. Terranson> sysadmin_at_mfn.org> 0xBD4A95BF> > > What religion, please tell me, tells you as a follower of that religion> to occupy another country and kill its people? Please tell me. Does> Christianity tell its followers to do that? Judaism, for that matter?> Islam, for that matter? What prophet tells you to send 160,000 troops> to another country, kill men, women, and children? You just can't wear> your religion on your sleeve or just go to church. You should be> truthfully religious.> > Mahmoud Ahmadinejad> > On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Tyler Durden wrote:> > > Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 15:21:26 -0500> > From: Tyler Durden <camera_lumina@hotmail.com>> > To: Bill Stewart <bill.stewart@pobox.com>, cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net> > Subject: RE: undersea cable cuts> > > > There's been lots of net speculation about maliciousness, but for me the odds> > of 3/4 failures of undersea cables in such a relatively small area and over> > such a short amount of time is extremely suspicious, particularly given how> > robust such cables are. (ie, there's maybe a dozen in the whole world at any> > one time, over millions of route miles).> > > > Whether these are JbT-type terrorists is, I think, doubtful given the revenues> > traveling over these things and particularly how ineffective the cuts were.> > The cuts certainly appeared to me to be attempts to get a working+protect> > sides of fiber rings by people who didn't have access to that level of detail> > about how the rings are deployed over the wavelength/fiber/cable pairs.> > > > -TD> > > > > Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 22:05:07 -0800e> To: cypherpunks@al-qaeda.net> From:> > bill.stewart@pobox.com> Subject: Re: undersea cable cuts> > > Hadn't heard> > this was malicious ... you have a reference?> > The fourth failure turned out> themselves.> > At 07:35 PM> > 2/4/2008, Sarad AV wrote:> the internet or private network connectivity> that was> > on the fiber systems that were cut;> I don't know how big the fourth cable> > was.> > _________________________________________________________________> > Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail.-get your>
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