On Friday, 12 Feb 1993, Phiber Optik <uunet!eff.org!phiber> wrote - PO> I'm sick and tired of all the virus hoo-hah myself. PO> The only "anti-virus software" a hacker needs is DEBUG. PO> And maybe your favorite sector editor utility, like DISKEDIT. PO> Anything more, and you're an embarassment. Why don't you just PO> send your life savings to McAfee while you're at it. I could PO> go and quote P. T. Barnum right now, but I think my point is PO> made. My apologies for strayiing even further from the topic, but Phyber's comments would not let me let this sleeping dog lie. Strictly using DEBUG is a bit ridiculous for the "masses", but I can understand your sentiment, at least to that end. As far as I'm concerned, I can isolate _any_ change in my operating environment (be it DOS, Novell NOS, UNIX or whatever, for that matter) with the utilities that accompany the operating system (and of course, a couple of home-brewed ones to boot). Viruses are simply nuisances, for those who are adept enough to bop around in assembly code. Your disdain for "anti-virus software" is shared by many -- even shared by myself, to a certain degree. Every time I read an advertisement in a trade rag that boasts, "Can now find and eradicate new and unknown viruses!" or "Now! Can kill the deadly Mutation Engine virus!", I can only shake my head and snicker. However, there are a couple of genuine "good guys" out there in computer land that produces some excellent "anti-virus" software. Dr. Alan Solomon (UK) and Fridrik Skulason (Iceland), both of whom I know personally, produce perhaps the most effective and timely virus detection software in the business. Yes, they both will tell you that they use DEBUG to trace code and disassemble. Sara told me that you were rather impetuous. ;-) Further discussions relating to thhis topic should be moved to comp.virus (virus-l@lehigh.edu) or directed to me by email. Paul Ferguson | "Sincerity is fine, but it's no Network Integration Consultant | excuse for stupidity." Alexandria, Virginia USA | -- Anonymous fergp@sytex.com (Internet) | sytex.com!fergp (UUNet) | 1:109/229 (FidoNet) | PGP public encryption key available upon request. --- fergp@sytex.com (Paul Ferguson) Sytex Systems Communications, Arlington VA, 1-703-358-9022