Mr. Hun said:
In <3.0b19.32.19961015115525.0067560c@panix.com>, on 10/15/96 at 11:57 AM, Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com> said: no they cannot physically torture, but they can put your intelligent, educated, civilized little white ass in with some some real sweet boyfriends, or sadists, or racists who are just waiting for revenge, or just plain killers "--oops, made a classification error;" and the tag on your toe says: "john doe #1276549860"
and nothing prevents them from talking about poor Harry who did not cooperate...
And you still claim that AP has _no_ moral basis? Is there more than one person using your account? This may get me in a lot of shit, but if anyone _anyone_ treats a member of _my_ family that way, Ohhhh shit, I'd _never_ get out of jail, assuming that I make it that far. I am not old enough to have served in Vietnam, but I did serve in the military, and I didn't do it to protect scumsucking politicians and shithead sadist facist police. I did it for the college money, and because at one point in my mis-guided youth I beleived in the constitution. I still think it's a good idea, and I realize that the great one-horned one is probably right about the courts interpretation of the constitution. I also realize that they have a certain vested interest in the status quo, and that they had to _start_ with a certain mindset/attitude to get where their interpretations carry the weight that they do.
."Note that many governments have officially given up rape and torture as .sanctions. (These were once universal.) All we have to do is get them .to give up murder, imprisonment, and robbery as sanctions and we'll have .civilized them completely." . although I will certainly agree with your tongue-in-cheek comment...
wish to check the cases of rape while in custody? --don't forget to include sodomy by bubba, foreign objects for women, etc. did law enforcement do this? indirectly, yes, by failing to protect the accused.
I think he was refering to geovernments in general, rather than _just the US government (although I won't deny that it has happened here) the SS in germany certainly used rape and torture, and I'd bet it still goes on in certain countries.
reinstate physical torture by the state --at least you'll live through it! they need you in court to parade as an example before they hustle you off for reeducation.
1) You might not live thru it, and if it was legal, then they _might_ be tempted to go just a little too far. 2) I am really hoping that the above was sarcasm. Petro, Christopher C. petro@suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff> snow@smoke.suba.com