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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:06:10 GMT From: Adam Back <aba@dcs.ex.ac.uk> Subject: Re: democracy?! (Re: Terrorism is a NON-THREAT (fwd)
Jim Choate <ravage@ssz.com> writes:
Exactly what kind of democracy are you speaking of? Sounds like you are lumping them all into one big bucket,
I figure it's a reasonable summary of a lot of democracies right now.
What is a reasonable summary? Reasonable to who? What 'lot' of democracies?
If so, please be so kind as to demonstrate how a representative, constitutional, and majority democracy are the same? And for the record, we have a constitutional representative democracy.
Didn't say they were "the same".
No, but you certainly imply it with your broad brush.
But they do share a characteristic: distortions of free market in the form of voting for theft and redistribution of other peoples money leading to annoying government micro-management, and general do-gooder busy-body-ness, and the many laws on thought crimes.
Again, demostrate your assertion(s). Who? What? When? Where? Why? How?
Personaly, I figure you must be one of those folks with a cognitive disfunction. What part of "Congress shall make no law..." do you not understand?
I understand it, but US politicians either don't, or don't care and largely ignore the constitution. What does it matter whether I understand it or not?
If you don't understand it you can't use it, effectively or otherwise.
Your constitution says you can own and carry guns; your politicians and law enforcement increasingly say that you can not. Your response to my saying that is that _I_ don't understand the constitution?
No, my responce is prove your assertions. Explain to me why you believe these are valid views and why they provide a more usable environment for understanding what is going on then others.
The wild west was better than this state of affairs -- people didn't have the energy or inclination to waste their own resources being nosy parkers, and those that did were apt to wind up full of lead.
Boy, you history is simply fucked. If you seriosly think the west was like television you should spend more time reading books and period newspapers and less time looking at the boob-tube.
I don't own a TV, and so don't watch much (by choice -- it's mostly garbage); printed mass media is a bit better, but not that much.
Nice side step.
At the height of the range wars there were only 9 murders associated with the conflict, not hundreds as the popular entertainment media and spin-doctor culture would have you believe. Get your fucking facts straight.
I know, that was my point; recall that I said the murder rate was low.
No, you said *nothing* about murder rate. What you did say was that back in the old days people ran around killing those who bothered them. Which isn't true either.
The point was there were way less laws, and few were telling their neighbours what they could think.
Really? What was the law count say in 1865 versus 1965? 1897 v 1997? Demonstrate your point.