Sarad: <Since it is discovered later, isn't that called peer review? Indeed it is "peer reviewed," just delayed to an unpredictable future, and still not clear just when the fault was discovered nor why it was revealed -- as a helpful contribution, a ploy, a deceit, or a lure. Peer review is an unending process, and beyond that is prolonged usage of a system under a slew of conditions and challenges. It is hard to believe that all cracks and weaknesses are publicly reported when there are such great rewards for keeping them quiet and letting believers continue in ignorance. Cracks unfold not always at once, some are faked, some are the result of a deliberate weaknesses inserted into code to create a malodor of suspicion. Nothing unusual about any of those. Comsec is nothing if not obfuscation about capabilities. Jim <jim@indomitus.net> <Thanks, John, for a trip inside the mind of a maniac. Secure crypto believers get riled by unlocking their protective cage. No question these issues have been examined here and elsewhere in the past and present, but nothing better than to see updates which don't get dismissed because "this has all been covered before, so shut the fuck up."