(Attila's long post deleted to save space, and to keep me from commenting on sections.) This was one of the most thought-provoking pieces I've read. I can't say I'm in favor of curfews, but Attila presented some thought-provoking points, consistent with my own "best is often the enemy of the good" points. I doubt I'm ready to move to St. George, Utah, attractive as it sounds in some ways. (Nevada is probably just as attractive, and California even more so, for me. I drove from Las Vegas to Reno, but gave up in the vaste nothingness, and cut over through Tioga Pass and Yosemite to my area...boy, was I happy to be back in California. For all of its oddnesses and problems, it is truly an amazing place. Though I dislike some things about it, I always come back.) As to Moroni's objection to my characterization of LDS/Mormonism as a "cult," I refer to _all_ religions this way. Catholocism, Judaism, Protestantism, Mormonism, Buddhism, they are all roughly the same to me. If you are offended, this is your problem. I take no position on which of these belief systems are valid and which are not. --Tim "The government announcement is disastrous," said Jim Bidzos,.."We warned IBM that the National Security Agency would try to twist their technology." [NYT, 1996-10-02] We got computers, we're tapping phone lines, I know that that ain't allowed. ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---- Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, tcmay@got.net 408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA | knowledge, reputations, information markets, Higher Power: 2^1,257,787-1 | black markets, collapse of governments. "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."