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In response to "R. A. Hettinga"
So, Max, as a socialist, an unwitting user of such lies as "movement", or "(un)just state", as someone who believes that the *earned* property of "the rich" should be confiscated, or that
There we go with nonsensical presumptions and stereotyping again. I could pull out my own label for you my friend, but that would be really pointless. I believe that earned property of ANY strata of society should be safe from arbitrary seizure or confiscation. It is rather amusing how you have put words in my mouth which are not there, and then spend all your time kicking down your own non-existant straw man. You want to mock "justness" of the laws of the State...? Well then, what is your beef about Martha then? If the state is inherently a manifestation of unjust cronyism (as you seem to claim), does that become an argument that somehow we should NOT strive to make the system MORE uniformly just and therefore abuse of power less common and arbitrary? I mean, that's just the way it is... but then, you shouldn't be whining about poor Martha. That's just the way States are, you know. But I guess we come back to the double standard, and as long as the "wealth exemption" comes into play, then you really don't concern yourself with such an "inherently socialist" (as you might say) concept as JUSTICE?
"marketing" should be controlled by force, welcome to the other side of the looking glass. The *real* side of the looking glass, I might add, where the "justice" of the state is simply another not-so-polite fiction to keep power.
Alas, you were so quick to falsely label me a socialist, that you did not read what I wrote. Needless to say, I in no way called for any such "forceful" control of "marketing" as you inventively and deceptively implied. Not to worry, I try to buy as little meaningless shit as possible from this disposable vacuous society. But at the same time, I encourage people to see the emptiness for what it is. The things you own end up owning you, and it can all blow away in a storm faster than you realize (therefore, governments and insurance). Bread and circuses is a sure signpost on the way down, we've seen it before. Avoid facing reality long enough, and the head kick of reality will be that much more forceful when it finally comes. Like chickens coming home to roost.. kind of like what we are currently experiencing... but I digress...
Hanging out on this list is a sure cure for such mental delusions. It worked for me, anyway. :-).
Worry not, that I have no delusions that this "System" in any way represents me, much less has the slightest concerns about civil liberties or any of the foundational concepts upon which this country was philosophically based, much less the most basic sense of honesty or simple humanitarianism. And by humanitarianism, you don't have to feed, clothe, etc everybody at "taxpayer expense", however, a good start would be a much better discretion about how our nation haphazardly flings around bombs and destabilizes large swaths of the globe. Our congress, etc are bought and paid for, and both (dictated-media-viable) sides at that. Corporate Clown A (Bush) or Corporate Clown B (Kerry). Corporations that, by their "perpetual" nature and concentrated wealth, have subverted our system by an inappropriate and unjustified percentage of "representation", that violates the conecpt of one man one vote, and perverts and distorts our government into sheerly absurd tyranny. See, for all the hee-hawing of the investor thief classes about presumptions of "worth" and "value" which is oftentimes claimed as earned, but quite often is fraudulently swindled from the hard work of others, and the bland assurances that "this is all good for us", yet our senses tell us that things are in decline. We as a nation are less stable, less secure, and most people are working much harder, for much less; courtesy WorldCom/Enron/Tyco/Parmalat thievery. Outsourcing is an excellent example of just such a swindle -- a devaluation of labor for short-term profits, which will only lead to massive wage erosion, decline of the standard of living in the west, and a subsequent economic decline as working people can no longer afford housing and basic necessities. All and well and fine that the corporates do not see the storm rising, from their outsourcing, and how it will cost them very dearly in the coming future. The so-called "war on terror", beyond being a perpetual war-profiteers wet dream, is the smokescreen being used to raise up a militarist police state to suppress the coming domestic instability which will inevitably arise from a massive decline in the American standard of living.
You might, in the meantime, try Googling "crypto-anarchy" or "anarcho-capitalism" and/or "cypherpunks", or "Tim May" and "cryptonomicon" (no not *that* cryptonomicon, the *original* one...), which will probably, in the process, find you a currently working version of several archives of this list that have arisen over the last decade. I'd start at the beginning, around September 1992.
Kind of busy reading more practical material, such as the intricacies of smashing stacks and bypassing filters, or timely and relevant, such as "The Sorrows of Empire" by Chalmers Johnson.
It's not that hard. You only need to read the first two months of the archives before things start to repeat themselves. ;-).
If I want repetition, I can just watch CNN (or buy a parrot), thank you very much!
Cheers, RAH
Max