All of these ideas (on new term programs for grabbing news, and for getting PGP sigs from scrollback, etc etc) are all very interesting and worthy of more work. However, I think the BEST way to do this, is to convince Mustang Software (or whoever) to add hooks for PGP or other encryption packages, and then the rest should soon follow. Most users WILL NOT quit using QModem (or whatever) for a new term program that has nothing special but crypto. BUT if you can get crypto into the popular packages, then lots of users WILL use it since well it's THERE, and easy to get to and they don't have to switch software. As for the creation of new term programs, I'd have to say making it RELY on a FOSSIL driver is a BAD idea. FOSSILs are becoming less useful and needed over time. Almost NO new door software uses FOSSILs, because companies like Compaq are making more-compatible machines with less proprietary garbage in them. FOSSIL support that is OPTIONAL would be very nice, for those using old or wierd machines that can't handle standard comm routines, but forcing FOSSIL (or anything else) on anyone is a bad idea in my opinion. Also, those into Fido-tech netting should try to get the developers of FrontDoor, InterMail, D'Bridge, Opus, Maximus, VBBS, BinkleyTerm, etc to add support for the ^ENC klugeline (an addition to the FTSC-standard Fido mail headers, that notifies mailer software that the message is encrypted, so it can be properly processed). Without this the Fido SecureMail system is going to remain minor and ignored. With it, cryptomail could fast become the norm in Fido NetMail. For this corner or cyberspace direct support for this sort of thing could be the "make or break" for whether crypto becomes accepted. Just some thoughts. -- When marriage is outlawed only outlaws will be inlaws! Stanton McCandlish, SysOp: Noise in the Void DataCenter Library BBS Internet anton@hydra.unm.edu IndraNet: 369:1/1 FidoNet: 1:301/2 Snail: 1811-B Coal Pl. SE, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87108 USA Data phone: +1-505-246-8515 (24hr, 1200-14400 v32bis, N-8-1) Vox phone: +1-505-247-3402 (bps rate varies, depends on if you woke me up...:)