I just checked in to the internet shopping network - AAAaaargh Disk drive prices over twice the going rate. Fax modem prices over four times the going rate! And for the vast privilege of being permitted to shop there you have to make a signed membership application by snail mail or fax. Meanwhile Chaums Emoney remains totally disconnected with real money or real goods. Among the bankers, his name is mud. And despite his pious talk about privacy he seems committed to a many-to-few transaction system. A many to few transaction system will not protect privacy, no matter how secure and excellent the protocols. Of course, it took 25 years for the internet to grow from a research project to a major social and political force, so perhaps I am a little impatient. I eagerly await Bill Gates plans. The long and the short: You still cannot do transactions on the internet. It is still vaporware. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because of the kind of animals that we James A. Donald are. True law derives from this right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state. jamesd@netcom.com