And this is why socialism in any form is a bad idea. It prevents evolution in action from culling the morons. In the olden days these guys would have been sabertoothed tiger fodder. Let's face it, shit like hotmail, AOL, MSN, and their cousins are really socialism in disguise. You have some strange ideas about what 'socialism' is. Used by you in sentences such as the above, it seems to be a catch-all for 'things-I-don't-like'. If by socialism you mean Stalinist state-capitalism, you might think about using 'Stalinist state-capitalism'. I know it doesn't have the wonderful generality of 'socialism', but accuracy is important too. Let's face it, shit like hotmail, AOL, MSN, and their cousins are really socialism in disguise. Hmm: all of the above are products of corporatism, which was a feature of Soviet-controlled socialist countries (everything was owned by the state) and USA-sponsered 'free countries' (everything was owned by the family or friends of the tinpot dictator). Ideological differences aside, the net result was the same. Socialism and statism are not homologous. Refer to Rosa Luxembourg. They allow the morons access to what they shouldn't have. Spoken like a true commissar. Tiarnan