From andrew@torproject.is Fri Jul 6 02:30:22 2018 From: Andrew Lewman To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Tor and HTTPS graphic Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 02:30:22 +0000 Message-ID: <172289271642.3881296.2332468733585031808.generated@mail.pglaf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8045179727845562531==" --===============8045179727845562531== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 11:22:33 -0500 Ted Smith wrote: > While I like the graphic overall, I think the "NSA as a global passive > adversary" element is an example of the graphic being overloaded with > information that will confuse/scare away most people. So far, there is one story where Eva claims the NSA can break tor easily, see this Tor and HTTPS graphic as proof: https://secure.security.nl/artikel/40574/1/%2522NSA_kan_Tor-gebruikers_identi= ficeren%2522.html If your adversary is any rumored global passive adversary that can watch and record the entire Internet at once, then you've probably already lost the game. At PETS in 2009[0], Paul did a talk on 'why I'm not an entropist' and suggested that people need to start working on defeating a mythical global passive adversary. Maybe in the near future some government will have the capability of being the global passive adversary. [0] http://petsymposium.org/2009/program.php --=20 Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x6B4D6475 _______________________________________________ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk(a)lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk ----- End forwarded message ----- --=20 Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE --===============8045179727845562531==--