From fw@deneb.enyo.de Fri Jul 6 02:38:47 2018 From: Florian Weimer To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: UK RIPA Pt 3 Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 02:38:47 +0000 Message-ID: <172289251236.3881296.17246989832732447733.generated@mail.pglaf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5886787474515775078==" --===============5886787474515775078== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit * Peter Fairbrother: > I forgot to mention that Pt.3 also includes coercive demands for > access keys - so for instance if Mr Bill Gates came to the UK, and if > there was some existing question about Microsoft's behaviour in some > perhaps current EU legal matter, Mr Gates could be required to give up > the keys to the Microsoft internal US servers. Or go to jail. Well, if Mr Gates is a witness and not a suspect, such coercive measures are well within the legal framework of most countries. As a witness, you must testify. It simply does not matter if the information you are asked to provide is encrypted, or is stored in a database and needs significant preprocessing to obtain. It would be quite surprising if this was any different in the UK. So it's purely the self-incrimination part that is questionable from a legal POV. I think this bears repeating because we face a similar discussion in Germany regarding covert data seizure using technological measures, and the discussion focuses almost entirely on the technological measures. But the legal obstacle is just the covertness. --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Cryptography Mailing List Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe cryptography" to majordomo(a)metzdowd.com ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE --===============5886787474515775078==--