From tedks@riseup.net Fri Jul 6 02:34:24 2018 From: Ted Smith To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Concept: Mobile proxies for downloading pdfs Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 02:34:24 +0000 Message-ID: <172289280476.3881296.14154466245050178993.generated@mail.pglaf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5332493378780702935==" --===============5332493378780702935== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2013-01-15 at 15:34 -0600, Bryan Bishop wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Ted Smith wrote: > > Why a mobile app? >=20 > Because all college students have phones.=20 That's true, but they don't have the same phones. Plenty still don't have iOS or Android phones. Plenty have Blackberries.=20 In contrast, all of them have computers, and it's pretty easy to write something that will run on any of them. > I suspect that many of these > students would be interested in participating in this protest. >=20 > > I doubt this would be very widely used, so going mobile for that is > > probably unnecessary. >=20 > What makes you think it wouldn't be widely used? I think there's at > least 1,000 students that would run these proxies. That's a huge > amount of access. Where are you getting that number from? As a current college student, I think that getting a thousand users is a huge stretch. There are maybe a handful of clicktivist types that would actually install something, on a mobile device or a larger computer; there's a slightly larger handful that would think it's cool; the vast majority wouldn't care; the last handful remaining would be against it because they'd see it as stealing (MAFIAA propaganda works). > > * a Tor hidden service >=20 > The tor network is already heavily congested. I don't think that using > tor would be efficient. I think a tor mode option would be useful > though. If you need to do connectback, you need some NAT holepuncher, and Tor is the fastest to get going. Tor is high-latency, but latency doesn't seem like much of a problem when all you're doing is fetching PDFs. I don't think Tor is "congested" -- slow, certainly, and it could use more bandwidth, but=20 Demand will definitely overwhelm supply (in the wildest success stories, this will only be true initially), so you'll have to have queuing anyway, to avoid immediately outing any student running a proxy by causing them to initiate a flood of requests for papers and subsequent outbound traffic. Further, *nobody* will install anything like this if they don't have very ironclad guarantees of their own safety. At my own university, it's considered common knowledge that the network administrators block/monitor filesharing, even though they don't in fact do so -- and it doesn't help that this effort is organized in the wake of a prominent activist with far more resources than they have access to killing himself in response to massive state retaliation for doing exactly what you're asking them to do. --=20 Sent from Ubuntu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sc= ience-liberation-front" group. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to science-liberation-front+unsubs= cribe(a)googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. ----- End forwarded message ----- --=20 Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE --===============5332493378780702935==--