From coderman@gmail.com Fri Jul 6 02:30:36 2018 From: =C2=A0coderman To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: None Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 02:30:36 +0000 Message-ID: <172274325796.2803362.6920312367391593670.generated@mail.pglaf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0748340037234693354==" --===============0748340037234693354== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 1/14/16, jim bell wrote: >> ... The main criticism I had >> of this was the fact that the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1 >> BTC, which at the time was somewhere around $1000.=C2=A0 This, contrasti= ng with >> my Assassination Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing = bits >> of 10 cents. >> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered >> necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trust= the >> system?=C2=A0 How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?=C2=A0 Ho= w to collect?I >> never tried to research into this, because I judged that to do so would = be a >> little too 'hot' for me to do. >i am curious how you arrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)>h= ow do you pick where to draw that line?>*he says with a toe on something ve= ry hot...* It was more of an educated guess. =C2=A0I knew that I hadn't been promoting= AP, yetsomebody was seemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying t= hey were. =C2=A0Themost likely scenario, given that this person had contact= ed me, is that he (they) weresimply trying to discredit me. =C2=A0To avoid = that happening, and to 'kill two birds withone stone', I threw that hot pot= ato to Andy Greenberg. =C2=A0(I was not at all happy with=C2=A0Greenberg, w= ho greatly misrepresented 'facts' about me in his book). =C2=A0 I figuredth= at Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, which would allow me t= o usehis negligence to discredit him. =C2=A0Very surprisingly, to me, Green= berg actually wrotean article and published in Forbes! =C2=A0Literally with= in hours, many dozen other=C2=A0articles appeared in other media, and in th= e end it probably was hundreds of articlesover the next year or so. >>=C2=A0 Did any donations actually appear on the >> system after its initial announcement?=C2=A0 Did any new names/targets a= ppear? >there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful, >yet my attempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/ >maybe i didn't pay enough... ? =C2=A0>=C2=A0https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi= 1GdZ4JZG73T I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articles publishing = details. =C2=A0But no,all the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenber= g's. =C2=A0 So, I learned very little. =C2=A0ButI _DID_ learn that that sys= tem wouldn't be successful: =C2=A0At the very least, it would have hadto co= nvince the public that they could trust the system to operate reliably, and= that neveroccurred.The only public criticism I voiced was the fact that th= e system didn't accept individual donationslower than 1 BTC. =C2=A0Most peo= ple would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quarter, ordollar into= a wishing well. =C2=A0But nearly $1000? =C2=A0Highly unlikely. =C2=A0It wa= s one choice that virtually=C2=A0guaranteed failure, even if everything els= e was done right.=C2=A0I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Eth= ereum, which if they meet their impliedpromises, will actually do the job. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Jim Bell ------=_Part_8165805_859808685.1453236891869 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: coderman &l= t;coderman(a)gmail.com>
To: jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com> 

On 1/14/16, jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.c= om> wrote:
>> ... The main criticism I had
>> of this was the fact t= hat the system was said to have a minimum bid of 1
>> BTC, which at the tim= e was somewhere around $1000.  This, contrasting with
>> my Assassinat= ion Politics essay of 1995-96 where I anticipated allowing bits
>> of 10 ce= nts.
&= gt;> Assassination Market did not explain a lot of what I had considered=
>&= gt; necessary for a functioning such system. How can a potential donor trus= t the
= >> system?  How can a potential 'predictor' trust the system?&nb= sp; How to collect?I
>> never tried to research into this, because I judged= that to do so would be a
>> little too 'hot' for me to do.

>i am curious how you a= rrived at a determination of what was "too hot" :)
>= ;*he says with a toe on something very hot...*
It was more of an educated guess.  I knew that I hadn't= been promoting AP, yet
somebody was s= eemingly trying to bring it into reality, or saying they were.  The
most likely scenario, given that this p= erson had contacted me, is that he (they) were
simply trying to discredit me.  To avoid that happening, and = to 'kill two birds with
one stone', I = threw that hot potato to Andy Greenberg.  (I was not at all happy with=  
Greenberg, who greatly misrepre= sented 'facts' about me in his book).   I figured
that Greenberg wouldn't do anything with this contact, whi= ch would allow me to use
his negligenc= e to discredit him.  Very surprisingly, to me, Greenberg actually wrot= e
an article and published in Forbes! =  Literally within hours, many dozen other 
articles appeared in other media, and in the end it probably= was hundreds of articles
over the nex= t year or so.


>>  Did any donations actually appear on the
>> sys= tem after its initial announcement?  Did any new names/targets appear?=

>there were a few targets added, "bid" transactions successful,
>yet my at= tempt to add my own life to list was for naught. :/
>maybe i didn't pay enough= ... ?
=  > https://blockchainbdgpzk.onion/address/1P6yannm= 6Rx9kkMH5LxmAsi1GdZ4JZG73T

I expected to, within a few weeks or months, read many articl= es publishing details.  But no,
a= ll the rest were seemingly just rehashes of Greenberg's.   So, I learn= ed very little.  But
I _DID_ lear= n that that system wouldn't be successful:  At the very least, it woul= d have had
to convince the public that= they could trust the system to operate reliably, and that never
occurred.
T= he only public criticism I voiced was the fact that the system didn't accep= t individual donations
lower than 1 BT= C.  Most people would be willing to throw a penny, nickel, dime, quart= er, or
dollar into a wishing well. &nb= sp;But nearly $1000?  Highly unlikely.  It was one choice that vi= rtually 
guaranteed failure, even= if everything else was done right.
&n= bsp;I am now, however, paying attention to Auger and Ethereum, which if the= y meet their implied
promises, will ac= tually do the job.
        Jim Bell

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