From charles@knownelement.com Fri Jul 6 02:40:28 2018 From: Charles N Wyble To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Weekend Gedankenexperiment - The Kill Switch Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 02:40:28 +0000 Message-ID: <172289078287.3849117.6876650713190547723.generated@mail.pglaf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2152412993212712745==" --===============2152412993212712745== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/3/2011 7:43 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: > An armed FBI special agent shows up at your facility and tells your ranking > manager to "shut down the Internet". Let's look at this from a different perspective. What level of impairment=20 would the feds face if they ordered wide spread net shut downs. Do the feds have a big enough network of their own, that=20 they can continue to operate without the commercial nets being up? I mean they would need to =20 declare martial law and coordinate enforcement activities. Can they do this all via satellite networks? Also what's to stop the operations staff from saying "no way jose" and =20 walking out? Ok. Let's say they aren't dependent on the net being up. What would the =20 scenario look like? Presumably this would be at a major IX, colo etc? Like say One Wilshire or=20 something? They would show up with several agents, and probably some tech folks. One=20 presumes they would have an injunction or some other legal authority to order you to terminate =20 connectivity. This would have to be spelled out to the letter (terminate all IX traffic, drop all external=20 sessions, take down core routers etc). > What do you do when you get home to put it back on the air Put what back on the air? Regional connectivity to let people coordinate a=20 revolution? (I'm dead serious by the way. If things have gotten to the point where the feds=20 are shutting down the net, it's time to follow our founding code: That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it=20 is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it Depending on the geography, one could establish some long distance links =20 via 802.11/3.65ghz. Hopefully that gear is already on stand by. > -- let's say email > as a base service, since it is -- do you have the gear laying around, and h= ow > long would it take? Well I'm a huge data ownership guy and have been preaching to folks the =20 importance of self hosting. Lots of details are on my wiki at =20 http://wiki.knownelement.com/index.php/Data_Ownership So yes, I have the gear in service already doing my hosting. I also run a=20 small neighborhood WISP. I only offer net access via that WISP, but it would be trivial to stand up=20 a neighborhood xmpp/irc/mail/www server in that VLAN. Maybe I should do that now. Get =20 people using it before hand, so it's what they naturally turn to in time of =20 distress/disaster. Hmmm.... > Do you have out-of-band communications (let's say phone numbers) for enough > remote contacts? How much phone service would still work, if the feds hit all the major IX=20 points and terminate connectivity? I seem to recall much discussion about the all IP back bone=20 of the various large carriers (Qwest/ATT). I guess calls in the same CO and maybe between =20 regional CO's might work. Think of this from a disaster preparedness perspective (ie a major =20 earthquake or terrorist attack significantly damages One Wilshire and/or various IXes in the bay area). AT&T has a very large CO=20 right next to One Wilshire, with something like 1.5 million lines terminated in the building. It wouldn't take that much work=20 for the FBI to shut those places down if they felt a significant need to. Interesting thought exercise. Let's keep the conversation going guys/gals! ----- End forwarded message ----- --=20 Eugen* Leitl leitl http://leitl.org ______________________________________________________________ ICBM: 48.07100, 11.36820 http://www.ativel.com http://postbiota.org 8B29F6BE: 099D 78BA 2FD3 B014 B08A 7779 75B0 2443 8B29 F6BE --===============2152412993212712745==--