From Eugene.Leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de Mon Jul 23 14:47:29 2001 From: Eugene Leitl To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: IP: The Postal Service Has Its Eye on You (fwd) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:47:29 +0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8760942519622093956==" --===============8760942519622093956== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -- Eugen* Leitl leitl ______________________________________________________________ ICBMTO : N48 10'07'' E011 33'53'' http://www.lrz.de/~ui22204 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 10:14:02 -0400 From: David Farber Reply-To: farber(a)cis.upenn.edu To: ip-sub-1(a)majordomo.pobox.com Subject: IP: The Postal Service Has Its Eye on You >Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 00:23:38 -0400 >To: Dave Farber >From: Monty Solomon >Subject: The Postal Service Has Its Eye on You > >THE POSTAL SERVICE HAS ITS EYE ON YOU > >By John Berlau > >July 14, 2001 > >Since 1997, the U.S. Postal Service has been conducting a >customer-surveillance program, 'Under the Eagle's Eye,' and reporting >innocent activity to federal law enforcement. Could you already be a >victim? > >http://www.moreprivacy.com/editorials/postaleye.htm One thing that should set off alarms, the postal service says, is a customer objecting to filling out an 8105-A form that requests their date of birth, occupation and driver’s license or other government-issued ID for a purchase of money orders of $3,000 or more. If they cancel the purchase or request a smaller amount, the clerk automatically should fill out Form 8105-B, the “suspicious-activity” report. “Whatever the reason, any customer who switches from a transaction that requires an 8105-A form to one that doesn’t should earn himself or herself the honor of being described on a B form,” the training manual says. But the “suspicious” customers might just be concerned about privacy, says Solveig Singleton, a senior analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. And a professional criminal likely would know that $3,000 was the reporting requirement before he walked into the post office. “I think there’s a lot of reasons that people might not want to fill out such forms; they may simply think it’s none of the post office’s business,” Singleton tells Insight. “The presumption seems to be that from the standpoint of the post office and the Bank Secrecy regulators every citizen is a suspect.” Both Singleton and Nojeim say “Under the Eagle’s Eye” unfairly targets the poor, minorities and immigrants — people outside of the traditional banking system. “A large proportion of the reports will be immigrants sending money back home,” Nojeim says. Singleton adds, “It lends itself to discrimination against people who are sort of marginally part of the ordinary banking system or who may not trust things like checks and credit cards.” For archives see: http://www.interesting-people.org/ --===============8760942519622093956==-- From measl@mfn.org Tue Jul 24 02:04:04 2001 From: measl@mfn.org To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: IP: The Postal Service Has Its Eye on You (fwd) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:04:04 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============6056604365640793702==" --===============6056604365640793702== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Whatever the reason, any > customer who switches from a transaction that requires an 8105-A form to > one that doesn�t should earn himself or herself the honor of being > described on a B form,� the training manual says. Does anyone have a link to this "B" form, or more exact data on it's contents? It seems a little pointless to fill out a form saying that "Unknown person refused to ID for a transaction of $3000.00. This "suspect" was 5'8" and 125#, brn hair, brn eyes and wearing jeans and a tee-shirt" -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin(a)mfn.org If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they should give serious consideration towards setting a better example: Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate... This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers, associates, or others. Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the first place... -------------------------------------------------------------------- --===============6056604365640793702==-- From bear@sonic.net Tue Jul 24 15:13:30 2001 From: Ray Dillinger To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: IP: The Postal Service Has Its Eye on You (fwd) Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:13:30 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2205950101953749090==" --===============2205950101953749090== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, 24 Jul 2001 measl(a)mfn.org wrote: >Does anyone have a link to this "B" form, or more exact data on it's >contents? It seems a little pointless to fill out a form saying that >"Unknown person refused to ID for a transaction of $3000.00. This >"suspect" was 5'8" and 125#, brn hair, brn eyes and wearing jeans and a >tee-shirt" It probably notes time of day and gets submitted along with videotape from the cameras, so the lions can run it through their mugbooks. Bear --===============2205950101953749090==--