From jdb10987@yahoo.com Fri Jul 6 02:32:05 2018 From: jim bell To: cypherpunks-legacy@lists.cpunks.org Subject: None Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 02:32:05 +0000 Message-ID: <172248897671.1233856.4252841224459417349.generated@mail.pglaf.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4030127697023878954==" --===============4030127697023878954== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable mail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" ; Cpunks List Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM Subject: Your paper on criminal contracts Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com= =3D ), and Ahmed Kosba =3DC2=3DA0akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 I've = found a refe=3D rence to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.=3DC2=3DA= 0 =3D "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."=3DC2=3DA0=3DC2=3DA0 Per= haps y=3D ou are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very simi=3D lar subject. =3DC2=3DA0I called it "Assassination Politics". =3DC2=3DA0crypto= me.org=3D /ap.htm . =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 = =3DC2=3DA0 =3DC2=3DA0 Jim Bell =3D20 =20 ------=3D_Part_1164330_120160450.1442874412718 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3DUTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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To:=3D Ari Juels <juels(a)cornell.edu>
Cc: "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting(a)g= mail=3D .com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>; Cpunks List <= cy=3D pherpunks(a)cpunks.org>
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: Your paper = =3D on criminal contracts

Thank you for your reply, Dr. Juels, 

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<=3D span id=3D3D"yiv5182106525yui_3_16_0_1_1442825109502_5057">Once you read my e= =3D ssay, I think you will understand my concern about the motivation for your =3D research, and its potential consequences.   Superficially, and certain=3D ly to someone unfamiliar with my idea (Assassination Politics essay),  =3D ;I'm sure it sounds useful and indeed beneficial to try to prevent the cons=3D truction and operation of "criminal contracts".   One problem that I s=3D ee, as a lifetime libertarian, is that "criminal" may mean no more than "wh=3D at the government wants to ban" rather than an actual victim crime.  W=3D orse, governments are powerfully motivated to prevent developments that wil=3D l someday likely destroy them.

I suggest th= =3D at you study the analyses of Bob Vroman  http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=3D3D009ape<= =3D /a>    ,    http= =3D ://www.mail-archive.com/cypherpunks-moderated(a)minder.net/msg02068.html = =3D     and  of Bob Murphy,  www.anti-sta=3D te.com/murphy/murphy17=3D .html  &nb=3D sp;(although the Murphy essay might not be available, except as an archive.=3D )  as well as by R.  Sukumaran   http://www.idsa.in/s= =3D trategicanalysis/CryptologyDigitalAssassinationandtheTerrorismFuturesMarket=3D _rsukumaran_0404.html. 

Further, consider

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There is a lot more where this comes from.

Keep in mind that when I wrote the AP essay, =3D technologies such as Tor, Bitcoin, and especially Ethereum and Augur simply=3D did not exist. But today they do, or at least they soon will.  And th=3D at, I consider to be an extremely good thing.

So perhap= s =3D you will understand that I consider that trying to prevent _all_ "criminal =3D contracts" from being formed is a major, and indeed dangerous mistake. &nbs=3D p;While I do not believe that such an effort can ever succeed, I think it w=3D ould be best not to try.

        &nbs=3D p; Jim Bell
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From: Ari Juels <juels= =3D @cornell.edu>
= To=3D : jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com>
Cc: "runting(a)gmail.com" <runt= in=3D g(a)gmail.com>; "akosba(a)cs.umd.edu" <akosba(a)cs.umd.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, Se= =3D ptember 16, 2015 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Your paper on cr= =3D iminal contracts

Dear Mr. Bell,

Thank you for your= =3D original note and follow-up. We=3DE2=3D80=3D99re indeed planning to read you= r es=3D say and cite it as appropriate in our next paper revision (slated to come o=3D ut in January).

Yours,

AJ




From: jim bell <jdb10987(a)yahoo.com>
To: "juels(a)cornell= .edu" <juels(a)cornell.edu>; "runting(a)gmail.com" <runting(a)gmail.c= om=3D >; "akosba(a)cs.umd= .edu" <akosba(a)cs.um= d.edu<=3D /a>>; Cpunks List <cypherpunks(a)cpunks.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2015 10:14 AM
Subject:<= =3D /span> Your paper on criminal contracts

Dear Professors Juels (http://www.arijuels.com/) and Shi (runting(a)gmail.com), and Ahmed Kosba  akosba(a)cs.umd.edu :=  =3D   I've found a reference to your recent paper, http://www.initc3.org/publications.html.&nbs=3D p; "The Ring of Gyges: Using Smart Contracts for Crime."   Perhap=3D s you are not aware, but 20 years ago (1995-6) I wrote an essay on a very s=3D imilar subject.  I called it "Assassination Politics".  cryptome.org/ap=3D .htm .                 Jim Bell






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