On Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 10:36:10 PM PDT, Marina Brown
   <catskillmarina@gmail.com> wrote:
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   On 03/22/2018 01:06 AM, jim bell wrote:
   > On Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 3:37:48 PM PDT, juan
   > <[1]juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:
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   > On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 21:30:32 +0000 (UTC) jim bell
   > <[2]jdb10987@yahoo.com <mailto:[3]jdb10987@yahoo.com>> wrote:
   >
   >>
   >>> I don't have to agree with this, in order to recognize reality.
   >>>
   >
   >> Come on.
   >
   >> If you actually didn't agree with this you'd denounce it as a
   >> wholly criminal, anti-libertarian activity carried by the US
   >> government.
   >
   >
   > So now, you are actually criticizing me for FAILING to engage in
   > 'virtue signalling'!!!
   >
   > [4]Virtue signalling
   >I am not in support of borders and i support people's right to travel
   without "Papers".
   I notice that you don't distinguish between public (government) borders
   and private (private property) borders.  Why is that?
   I oppose government borders.  But I believe in the concept of private
   property, which amounts to the right to exclude others from that
   property.  We live on the surface (2 dimensional, more or less) of a
   sphere (Earth) and we desire to travel and have goods (and information)
   brought to us.  That will require that roads and other utilities be
   constructed and maintained, and that costs money.  The people who
   finance such construction will therefore have rights.
   Think of your neighborhood:  In the post-governmental (as we know it)
   future, people will voluntarily enter into contracts to build and
   maintain roads and other connections (power, water, sewer).  This may
   limit those who don't enter into those contracts from using those
   roads.  Who knows what the owners/maintainers of those roads may agree
   to?
   Not wanting to think about such eventualities doesn't mean that they
   won't eventually occur.
   >I grieved when Gilmore's right to travel case was decided against him.
   For what it's worth, I also oppose it when government requires people
   to show some sort of identification in order to travel.  But I believe
   I cannot prohibit it if a private (non-governmental) company such as an
   airline decides, for itself, that it will insist on identification in
   order to allow passengers to travel.  The risk to fellow passengers has
   become too great (hijacking, bombing, etc) to avoid this, sadly.   I
   COULD choose to take airlines that DIDN'T require people to identify
   themselves.  Presumably, such airlines will exist when that is allowed.
   >I guess travelling through E Germany in 1973 made a pretty heavy
   impression on me as a child.
   >If you say i am "Virtue Signaling" that would be hillarious.
   You will notice that I didn't say that.
                 Jim Bell

References

   1. mailto:juan.g71@gmail.com
   2. mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com
   3. mailto:jdb10987@yahoo.com
   4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling