-------- Original message --------
   From: Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com>
   Date: 1/11/18 11:40 PM (GMT-08:00)
   To: g2s <g2s@riseup.net>
   Cc: Kirils Solovjovs <kirils.solovjovs@kirils.com>,
   cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org
   Subject: Re: Own on install. How grave it is?

   On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 08:43:27AM -0800, g2s wrote:
   > > The concerns are real and industry resolves this by applying the
   minimal
   > > required patches from a media before connecting device to the
   network.
   > >
   >
   > >> Thanks. This doesn't appear possible on smartphones, tablets and
   some IoT, right?
   >
   > Phones and tablets? Why not? The update or os is downloaded in full
   before installation and, at least in android, a dos bootstrap appears
   to run the install.
   > Rr
   >

   >>Thanks, could be, I am not familiar with phones and tablets. Is this
   documented in more details somewhere?

   All I know is when android runs it's system update a dos screen appears
   for a second or two before it runs. The text is microscopic and there's
   no way to screenshot it, but I'm pretty sure it runs from android's
   firmware. Sometimes it's just a couple of lines, sometimes a screenful.
   Ofc the hardware could be compromised.

   Example. Compass Automation. A company that makes the S/w tools to put
   backdoors in chips. Senator Dianne Feinstein's military-industrial
   millionaire hubby has interest in Compass, or whatever it calls itself
   now. Interesting to note she's a fixture on the Senate Intel Committee.

   Here's a post I did a while back on Compass, and note, someone didn't
   like me calling her a corrupt bitch, or perhaps they didn't care for me
   noting the connection.

   http://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/54758257254