On Thursday, January 4, 2018, 1:13:27 PM PST, Marina Brown
   <catskillmarina@gmail.com> wrote:
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   On 01/04/2018 03:21 PM, jim bell wrote:
   > I don't find that calling it "mccarthyist propaganda" is
   > particularly persuasive.  We may hate Joseph McCarthy for his
   > tactics, but there WERE many valid reasons to object to Communism
   > and Socialism in the early 1950's.
   >
   >
   >> As for the "completely made up numbers", which numbers do you
   >> believe to be valid?  I frequently say that in the 20th Century,
   >> about 250 million people were killed by government, including in
   >> wars.  Far more of those deaths seem to be caused by
   >> Communist/Socialist governments than by Fascist governments.  And,
   >> as you might recall, I was reminded nearly two years ago (from the
   >> Wikipedia article on Benito Mussolini) that "Fascism" is
   >> essentially Socialism, and probably doesn't deserve to be called
   >> "right wing" as many people seem to do at this point.
   >
   >> Jim Bell
   >Governments seem to be one of the most effective forces in getting
   people to abandon their objections to killing. Nationalism and racism
   are common tools they use to convince people to kill.
   No doubt of that.  Which is why I was a minarchist libertarian before
   1995, and an anarchist libertarian 1995 and afterwards.
   >Even if fascism has been less deadly than communism, i don't find that
   an argument that would make me adopt fascism.
   Are you implying that I was suggesting that you adopt fascism?  Sounds
   like a strawman argument from here.
   >After all most forms of fascism on the planet advocate killing me.
   Actually, most forms of totalitarian governments advocate killing
   people, including their own citizenry.  Why narrow down your
   objections, artificially, to "fascism"?
   >Honestly i see the ramping up of white nationalism and things like
   that
   as a prelude to genocide.
   - --- Marina
   Whereas, I view such worry as ALMOST ENTIRELY propaganda.  (Not that
   I'm somehow defending "white nationalism")
   And I think I can prove it.   "white nationalism", as a term, has
   existed for years.  But, use the Google program, "Google Trends".
   https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=white%20nat
   ionalism
   Set the viewed timeline to around 2 years.  You can easily see that
   "white nationalism" wasn't a "thing" until the week AFTER the 2016
   elections!  There was very little coverage the week of the election, or
   any prior week.       (Except that back in March 2006, there was a
   peak.  Dunno why...)
   What does this tell me?  The way "white nationalism" has been used,
   within the last 14 months, as been essentially A HOAX.  A FRAUD.  A
   SHAM.  A CONCOCTED DISPUTE.  A NON-ISSUE.
   SUDDENLY, only after the results of the election came in, SOMEBODY in a
   powerful position of authority decided to make "white nationalism" a
   "thing".  I suspect Hillary Clinton, or maybe the Democrats, or maybe
   Obama.  Or a combination of them.
   If "white nationalism" had been an important, genuine issue, it would
   have at least have been an important campaign issue, or have been
   heavily discussed for years prior to 2016.  It obviously wasn't.
   It's virtually all propaganda.
                         Jim Bell