remember when this vigor and voice wrapped around digital stories with
   a light on digital freedom..the latest how to's and how where's which
   is what was so endearing and attractive.
   Smile

   Ilsa Bartlett
   Institute for Rewiring the System
   [1]http://ilsabartlett.wordpress.com
   [2]http://www.google.com/profiles/ilsa.bartlett
   [3]www.hotlux.com/angel
   "Don't ever get so big or important that you can not hear and listen to
   every other person."
   -John Coltrane
   On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 5:53 PM, John Newman <[4]jnn@synfin.org> wrote:

     On January 2, 2018 6:07:37 AM EST, Ben Mezger <[5]su@seds.nl> wrote:
     >I don't think you actually understood my point (nor did I actually
     >specify
     >it precisely).
     >
     >I did read __some__ of Jame's messages and I think it's also damn
     >pathetic
     >too. I am not taking any sides here, I just think you are both
     wrong
     James is way way more wrong, by virtue of being total scum.
     Ack, I just wasted more list bandwidth discussing this shiT
     stain... wtf is wrong with me !?

   >about
   >personally attacking each other (or it seems like so at least) on a
   >public
   >email list on hacker culture.
   >Wether you take it as a humiliation or not, that's up to you. You
   >should
   >take it as an advice that even if someone lowers their level, you
   >should
   >not do the same and perhaps sometimes is better to give a time before
   >replying.
   >
   >Do whatever is healthier for you.
   >
   >
   >On 2 January 2018 at 11:49, Cecilia Tanaka
   <[6]cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com>
   >wrote:
   >
   >> On Jan 2, 2018 02:08, "Shawn K. Quinn" <[7]skquinn@rushpost.com>
   wrote:
   >>
   >> On 01/01/2018 02:45 PM, Ben Mezger wrote:
   >> > since when did cpunk got so personal specially on a public list?
   >and
   >> > since when has cpunks become a sexual diary?
   >>
   >> Personally, I would rather read flagrant personal attacks and
   >outright
   >> pornography from Cecilia than even one-tenth of the flagrant racist
   >> (including white supremacist), anti-semitic, homophobic, and
   >dishonest
   >> spam that eminates from the like of those who I now call #$%& and
   >#$%&#$
   >> %&#$%&#$.
   >>
   >>
   >> Shawn,
   >>
   >> I thank you sincerely, but please let this topic die forever.  Ben
   >did
   >> probably not read James' messages and his personal attacks to me or
   >> purposely ignored them.  He criticized only my answers and, well,
   his
   >> aggressive public reaction was a really precious lesson to me.
   >>
   >> **I swear I will never try to help another unknown and foreign
   >runaway
   >> hacker, depressed enough for considering killing himself, sincerely
   >> offering my home and my personal contacts to give him some
   support.**
   >>
   >> He could simply give me a sincere heads up in private about my
   >messages,
   >> honestly criticizing them and their content, when, only some weeks
   >ago,
   >> contacted me in private asking about me.  I was so, really so happy
   >for
   >> knowing his personal storm was apparently finished and he was doing
   >> good...  I was very stupid.
   >>
   >> Well, not my problem anymore.  He knows very well how much I do hate
   >false
   >> and hypocrite persons and I will never trust him again.  Really
   sorry
   >for
   >> wasting my time last year, reading his "pathetic" private messages
   >asking
   >> for help and answering to them when he was feeling deeply sad and
   >lost.
   >>
   >> I hate the sensation of being humiliated in public for someone that
   I
   >used
   >> to trust, someone who used to be my friend, but it is evidently
   >**not** a
   >> problem for him, so he will not waste his time reading this message
   >and
   >> giving it an answer.  Anyway, he died for me yesterday and I think a
   >> supposed "badass hacker" knows very well how to create messages
   >filters.
   >>
   >> Wish you all a lovely day.  I will lurk for some time because it
   will
   >> certainly be much healthier for me.
   >>
   >> ** I am feeling really sick about hypocrite disgusting people who
   >think
   >> it's OK to post White Supremacist and Nazi content, but it's really
   >> shocking to mention sex.  It's f_cking creepy and unfair because
   >James'
   >> messages mentioning **MY** supposed sexual life can be freely
   posted,
   >but
   >> if I mention **HIS** sexual life, I am annoying the CP list and
   >destroying
   >> it.  Aff, deeply ridiculous situation...**
   >>
   >> D'oooh, too much stupid contradictions and drama for nothing...  ;P
   >>
   >> Take care, dear all.  Or not, your choice only.
   >>
   >> c.
   >>

References

   1. http://ilsabartlett.wordpress.com/
   2. http://www.google.com/profiles/ilsa.bartlett
   3. http://www.hotlux.com/angel.htm
   4. mailto:jnn@synfin.org
   5. mailto:su@seds.nl
   6. mailto:cecilia.tanaka@gmail.com
   7. mailto:skquinn@rushpost.com