I am not at all surprised that CPunks did not kick off the revolution
   many of us desired.
   One reason was that, despite Tim C May's mantra that, "cypherpunks
   write code", not many of us were capable or did. Many who hung out on
   the list and were technically competent weren't true believers and/or
   were still more focused on their careers. When times were poor for our
   employment there would be a significant surge in doing coding but as
   soon as the good times returned these people were no where to be found.
   Another reason is our lack of understanding of the importance of UIs
   and network effects for widespread take-up ([1]Why Johnny Still, Still
   Can't Encrypt: Evaluating the Usability of a Modern PGP Client).
   Steve

   On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 6:16 AM, \0xDynamite
   <[2]dreamingforward@gmail.com> wrote:

     > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 08:36:54AM +0300, Sergey Matveev wrote:
     >> Everything is right here. Anyway you *will* depend on people,
     society,
     >> its behaviour and huge quantity of empirical factors and
     assumptions. It
     >> is not cypherpunk's reliable and risks-predictable world -- it
     has
     >> nothing in common. Replacing the need to trust the human, with
     the need
     >> to trust the algorithm and technology -- that *is* the exact
     reason why
     >> I am interested in crypto. Requiring and depending on society
     again --
     >> that is the exact reason why I standing aside from blockchains.
     They do
     >> not offer any guarantees[4], but likelihoods, lottery.
     >
     > But this is the point - exchange of energy between humans, whether
     > money, voluntary labour, crypto money, barter of food or other
     goods,
     > these things ALWAYS depend on other humans - that is (how ever
     > unfortunate this might be) the nature of involvement with other
     > humans and with interacting with other humans.
     I am curious about Sergey's point.  While humanity is generally a
     piece of shit, they are akin to a cancer patient whose every cell
     has
     been infected -- they themselves are not guilty, they are product of
     external factors that are larger than them.  Ultimately, like all
     mammals, they are organized around the heart (that's what separates
     them from lizards), so that natural force can be harnessed.
     This is also why technological solutions have not been affective.
     If
     you take my premise that humans are organized around the heart, then
     pure rationalism will fail to lead them because their minds are
     already infected and they distrust it.  So, in a way, the same
     forces
     of the heart are already working -- too block further memetic codons
     from creating more nucleic load.
     > So when it comes to exchange of energy of any form between humans,
     > you will always be involved with other humans, to a greater or
     lesser
     > degree :)
     Yeah, humans are both the cause and the cure.  The major source of
     inadequacy in THIS population (crypto-anarchists) is the failure to
     examine why the 60's failed to produce the revolution it desired.
     It
     had love, peace, and an awesome soundtrack -- yet it failed.
     The only reason I've found in my analysis is that it was missing
     either truth or justice (in some way they HADN'T recognized) or
     both.
     Both of these are necessary for peace.  Without truth, people argue.
     Without justice. people continue fighting.
     \0xd

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References

   1. https://arxiv.org/abs/1510.08555
   2. mailto:dreamingforward@gmail.com