On 02/26/2017 03:57 PM, James A. Donald wrote: On 2/27/2017 9:12 AM, juan wrote: edison didn't invent the light bulb - despite what right wing ignorant americans believe. 1. Edison and Swan, the owners of the Edison & Swan United Electric Light Company, did invent the light bulb, and did not waste too much time arguing with each other over who made the greater contribution, because they were too busy making money. A crew of engineers and experimenters invented the light bulb. Edison, as you said, was too busy making money and infringing on other people's patents like good capitalists are wont to do Same with Rockefeller and oil refining. He knew less than squat about petro-engineering. Born into a large family in upstate New York, he was shaped by his con man father and religious mother. His family moved several times before eventually settling in Cleveland, Ohio. Rockefeller became an assistant bookkeeper at the age of 16, and went into a business partnership with Maurice B. Clark and his brothers at 20. When he was a boy, his family moved to Moravia, New York, and in 1851 to Owego, New York, where he attended Owego Academy. In 1853, his family moved to Strongsville, Ohio and he attended Cleveland's Central High School, the first high school in Cleveland and the first free, public high school west of the Alleghenies. Then, he took a ten-week business course at Folsom's Commercial College, where he studied bookkeeping.[26] Despite his father's absences and frequent family moves, young John was a well-behaved, serious, and studious boy. His contemporaries described him as reserved, earnest, religious, methodical, and discreet. He was an excellent debater and expressed himself precisely. He also had a deep love of music and dreamed of it as a possible career. [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Rockefeller#Early_life No engineering background there. Just 'bookkeeping'. So tell me Rockefeller was responsible for improving oil refining again? 2. Your theory (that capitalists are unproductive) has been put to test thousands of times in the last two thousand years, and the result every time is poverty and terror. Capitalism as an economic shitstem has only existed for a few centuries, or so. Capital has existed incipiently on a small scale for centuries,[36] in the form of merchant, renting and lending activities, and occasionally as small-scale industry with some wage labour. Simple commodity exchange, and consequently simple commodity production, which are the initial basis for the growth of capital from trade, have a very long history. The "capitalistic era" according to Karl Marx dates from 16th century merchants and small urban workshops.[37] Marx knew that wage labour existed on a modest scale for centuries before capitalist industry. Early Islam promulgated capitalist economic policies, which migrated to Europe through trade partners from cities such as Venice.[38] Capitalism in its modern form can be traced to the emergence of agrarian capitalism and mercantilism in the Renaissance.[39] [2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism Your time estimate is just a little... bit... off.. Oh, and it won't be 'coming back around again'. Resources are finite. Unlike human greed and obsessive compulsive accumulative behavior. Regarding teror Living in a rat-infested ghetto while your boss shits in a gold-plated toilet is terror, and a damn good reason to inflict terror on your boss. Actually, they DO live in terror, but psychopaths don't display 'distress'. Want to know what they're terrified of (except violence in the streets...)? They're terrified of dying (Roszak). Because that hearse isn't going to have a luggage rack and their whole live's worth of fuckery and thuggery and accumulation will mean less than shit when they're rotting in a grave.. About that fear of violence in the streets. Part 1 [3]http://auntieimperial.blogspot.com/2011/07/for-damn-good-reason-too- why-rich-fear.html Part 2 [4]http://auntieimperial.blogspot.com/2011/07/for-damn-good-reason-too- part-2-why.html 3. You do not know how to make a light bulb, or a transistor, or even a pencil. You need a capitalist to tell you what to produce and how to produce it. Without capitalists, everyone starves, as they are starving right now in Venezuela and North Korea. ROTF suuuuuuure. For a start I predate transistors, and despite the fact I didn't invent them (i was a little young), I understand how they work and I certainly learned how to create a diode... In the boy scouts. Building a crystal radio. Besides, transistors, light bulbs and pencils keep sooooo many people from starving in Malaysia. Right. Unhhunh. Listen idiot I trained Thai farmgirls, who didn't even have the cognitive skills for it, in precision machine shop inspection skills. SOMEONE built a factory in their rice paddy, so they HAD TO work in it, or starve. That must be what you mean by: "Without capitalists, everyone starves." You ARE a fucking apathetic-pathetic vicious midget. Rr References 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_D._Rockefeller#Early_life 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism 3. http://auntieimperial.blogspot.com/2011/07/for-damn-good-reason-too-why-rich-fear.html 4. http://auntieimperial.blogspot.com/2011/07/for-damn-good-reason-too-part-2-why.html