On 01/03/2017 09:57 PM, grarpamp wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:01 AM, Razer <[1]g2s@riseup.net> wrote: passageways, and building substructures just as deep as the building are tall, and the shock wave from the WTC tower hits liquefied the mud, and undermined the (shoddily constructed) building 7. ​The lately quiescent Cryptome could probably speak to this technicality. ​ I saw them on twitter with an RFD (request for dox) the other day. Just sleeping... My point being it's truly impossible to tell why 7 or the towers themselves fell or why they did in exactly the manner they did and it's really mental masturbation and evasion of, as Frank Zappa said: "The crux of the biscuit... (Why?) ...without a map if the physical area under the whole lower tip of Manhattan historically back to the beginning of the industrial revolution, supercomputers, geological physics [2] specialists, et al I've seen some of that 'underground b/c I'm originally from NY, with a lot of time spent wanderer around in Manhattan. There are old unused crosstown subway 'ghost stations' (or there were), and an operational infrastructure under the streets and buildings literally as deep as the buildings are tall. The lower end of Manhattan was Peter Stuyvesant's sheep grazing (?) spread originally, and the bottom at the the WTC and the Battery Ferry area, mud flats where they harvested clams. The whole island of Manhattan is a literal honeycomb underground Uptown, the Empire State building used to give a tour to journos (only... no civilians... no pictures) every few years to view it's substructure... It's mounted on shock absorbers you know? Three story tall shock absorbers, and a city under it that maintains power, heating boilers, repair shops and other facilities. I don't think they give that tour anymore... Rr References 1. mailto:g2s@riseup.net 2. http://www.abdn.ac.uk/ncs/departments/physics/physics-with-geology-bsc-223.php