From: Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net>
   On Tue, Nov 22, 2016 at 03:35:00AM +0000, jim bell wrote:
   > Libertarians,
   > in America, have to operate within the existing system.
   No, they have to start from the existing system, and existing
   programmed
   humans, when considering appropriate future changes and the propaganda
   required to get those "existing programmed humans" to that future.
   (This is probably what you meant - "to operate" didn't sound right to
   me.)
   Yes, that's what I meant.  It's unfair, as Razer did, to somehow blame
   libertarians for the state of the American political system.  We can
   try to change it, and we do, but that takes time.
                      Jim Bell