On 11/16/2016 11:35 PM, juan wrote:

Yes, that is a big problem because people who've been
        indoctrinated since early childhood have no incentives to learn
        that what they've been taught is wrong.

   Yes, and they're going to rape your wife and kill you... And there's no
   one, or fewer people in the society, that can or will, OR HAVE THE
   SKILLS and WHEREWITHAL to, resist that marauding.
   I'm asking a question that separates realists from armchair anarchists
   who like to 'smoke their opium' and dream of a better world. One they
   have no hand in actually making.
   Rr

On Thu, 17 Nov 2016 18:05:44 +1100
Zenaan Harkness [1]<zen@freedbms.net> wrote:





of to people who might then vote for his nobodys.
If you want a vote you have to put it in everyday practical terms.
No offense to the Juans's out there, just saying.

        No problem. I just explained why it's a mistake to demand
        explanations =P

Problem is, we're not starting from a blank slate.

        Yes, that is a big problem because people who've been
        indoctrinated since early childhood have no incentives to learn
        that what they've been taught is wrong.



We have aggressors, carrying guns, extorting money, as our starting
point.

What's being asked for (and no, I have no easy answers either), is how
do we transition whilst minimizing interim aggression.


        I can't imagine a 'collective' transition. Official 'collective'
        entities, basically nation-states, are always moving in the
        opposite direction.  I suppose what is needed is a critical
        mass to set up something like the free NO-state project.




And no, neither your nor nobody is obliged to answer that question.
There's merely a hope that we might find a sane pathway out of this
mess we are collectively in.


        See above...


Good luck,

References

   1. mailto:zen@freedbms.net