On 11/03/2016 01:06 PM, John Newman wrote: For that matter, get rid of your electricity, stay away from hospitals, and go live in the woods.... you can hunt some tigers :P I always love that extreme overarching generalization by technocrats about what one should do in the way of rejecting technology before one can discuss it. I have parts of the above down... ... or minimized to as near a third world level as is possible in a consumer crapitalist society. Except the tiger part. I have raccoons and the occasional rat possum or skunk at my camp even if I never bring food there. At least these critters don't think I'M food. Rr