I've been reading the list for a few weeks and, I have to say, I am very disappointed. Cypherpunks used to be a group of individuals who solved problems, discussed solutions, and tackled the hard problems that faced the Internet community. There were flame wars, but they got resolved and the list got in with its business. This current shit surrounding cypher piggie is ridiculous. Who the fuck cares about how rude juan is or if Sea Sea or JY are the same people? It's stupid shit that's distracting the list from real issues that it could be tackling instead of spending endless time arguing with and over an obvious troll. Or maybe that's the whole point. Distraction from real work, real code, real idea discussion. Maybe that's the why. I know it won't do any good, but I appeal to the members of this list who are engaging in these stupid discussions to fucking stop it! Focus on what needs to be done, focus on ideas, focus on getting code written. At last, let me say I'm not jumping into the argument here at all. I'm sure this email will be challenged or someone will say something stupid in response. I won't bother responding to those. But I will engage in serious discussion with anyone who wishes to do so. I don't care about sea sea or juan or John Young or who they 'really' are. I'm here to connect with other REAL cypherpunks who want to get shit done. Not little boy and girl posers who like the idea of tangentially associating themselves with a movement that changed the world. My public key is below should anyone wish to use it to communicate. D -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQINBFfkVNcBEADFfeLnvegKe/FoKTGT/o5tBfqI0chjoKMEqdrZnqf3SSzteLDy ZbDJ7T9IMJzqF9T+K+KMUswiBqstZ0lxDK1138jWq3QXDXwlAfKtiHG7cTZLEgtf zj0v09gNoLWhsSp0wnTjgV4kdLHAdb5cCLiG+XXhhWmfU+zWfzXZJz5+isLfCQGu H7bPo6embdHFKsfjCGW/07911WM5VpZzrJhJ8pAyxK4nCKOVcKu5fjmOtPu2ZHXQ LDEWzVi+MIJpF9wa6GEcNZTF1qrKuHrlmeIemB0uMgPkf8CdLpXBDLss2WRkXKZc 4lsJ4yssbv5XnStmPxTeKCqLOWo5Gi6bGrqxIeCwL9zkJUwnIEgT/jirbjTLKXKl rjvS61xCdIVj8LDYjcLsbnq7rZKQdiypJ/R6Pb0P18bAhtYCHpUZ/RXVtZ5vmVVD qSFm8c1gb4nRHjrUb+GdWruWrG+onRT8PEnZncsUJdNhGT8IIOwVIfwBsoNwqEG+ jYsm+GDIYX6Bhfmr644PVrbwkWtcxu7BduH2hVqhtjmY3UDwulgJfoPHJvQdbwT1 4y6ZDsrG5jE0jmt/7Na/n3QyqF3L9ifapyVXBaON6UylcqQkOC0djuGDfuRMSljr zQQKvtQ4Yw4G0LkufwQqgukANbjrvIChP+gmbYATiz1MpDm6mbzK6At94QARAQAB tCJEYXZpZCBTbWl0aCA8YW5vbjc0MjdAdHV0YW5vdGEuZGU+iQI/BBMBAgApBQJX 5FTXAhsDBQkB4TOABwsJCAcDAgEGFQgCCQoLBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQwpB/ATwg nVhg7hAAjvHLo7i3PBmHjvuk53NFt2shDVbN5PPao/wPYWILcO5TjdC0VtaCZFiQ ee0aMSnCjzuEM5vQpeUjPCkjRLJ3cCmk9xrh+y6OoEQTjohNSMpJhafSp+2+IzAG KTfRCfAOzs7tzlHDdx9XUMMjJF3nNAaDFySG8KCDdoOnhStMW3+wUfCeJLaIr71V 3zA7vJ3to1uyc4gX9Ev5bfWetB+OP/eX9jgv9fDCqAkayAjsXwmMD1CtGxklGFiv RGblz6kZO3TKrK+FjKodTp7OlbuwIffH79B4qH2t2n91w1mccePP8ywngJ97X/Gz +3bU/JAfQyLxV12FNbGs9+R5rjZg2hxYIBRFNa5mHBUDwtzRHY5xRV6r4xHlprIE ZRIRN+tcxvEYSuy8Tza30qEhSrAM52iS3XYGj+Si1p7EvxGUVwLYRpgEWNKS5oa+ MyF/QwgrjcWVvW9zeRqVaMpTHY1ulGainSrK6Pou12TbxIi5mk7PcMe7ZNQOgcjK jodCs9h+r+Sh4h62h9BVeFqVGInMRxbwGM6lzaBVXed5wpUAQ0agmYSSodskpoJf Ut+fpU2igRkVrjNa1FX+1rgF7aJBTREyPzlHO2oINuFkFGXUHfB4PTNBPyrE8/K9 0yREZAb2CjQYvTZEQp8XUgExOvQx+qDo4HaIFcVTl2dkkeh3yOG5Ag0EV+RU1wEQ ANSESHhop5V+2hNKFXbk65XrBOW0rw8eSzZj3//yJOEFkcYe2/BcMR17O877NTnH ehMzDgACTRgxjfODoM7/0h4hziC6UIIKxUo9QcC+aToBtybhXqWfRJnUSaACgrg3 rEqlJGPF/G6f159sdtw24n2FkHoE1wozWbSv1jar+bbGsgkkukADcY7uab2EYzS8 FcsbXuNIPK0DbzfQnt7GAO1GtyGMbEKcIJZ+oRtDrGX23e3WN+tN6hpEs+si68tI B16M6o6w/z5PaKumJmVMNKtYXUEDOnpHhWvMC5oKsp4PT4C4EbsMqpxaDo21U37C o9YMPo3qmEZlDPaeC+4amEHKAu7PCkwPGav+eBCLFH/Xv6kyzBZABIORDujvsRfS NzTgcXl58aOmV02ipJD4EWWMWQwVzYjRxwkonBsR6KCSNXKmFCHxulWNf1WL6isn 43HF+yFMUL1UU+rZxuJs6lZuQ1fKL//CW5R1WWtgy4pYpMueDJ9/mVrXnX/arZDV p+or342EiqGzmIhOX/zJfcEbb+evqQcWjs4oUn+tOimb5AqlCTYdv3w2XcGFmQcE 8HnV4QEzlAYHMwP7DN9e6DoqL+l+oNCDLiPpRQHdH13Q+G5XOro5mepSsOBqkYzF aTGyJyJs4QnpViFhZN/15diCEF/+zgUyhDsyr6caxvChABEBAAGJAiUEGAECAA8F AlfkVNcCGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQwpB/ATwgnVh2Wg//Znrp6qV0EtITKtsh+nQ07D/C omtocd+8Qujq4q93tgeGot++XHE3r9tycLBC5SthzJVtHprVICQBOu3b+qN1LWt6 kiKrlWrLmZyA5k8+2PImPyEGYiwV5shaRlUwMMrBah3yF6gmQuSNjK0u0+BzMARu lRJeIa3CFirrA09Jfk7zb3Ys8FXAzP5Oz0XZqpZKOZDML8XyLo6tQLC8ENXuQE6D 1jrmN781LIDXaz7PppAoSjqn/QV4tfHWdHCsq/4sQD/kPBznOal0P5ahvSEffRH+ ru0Kc6ozKw8cMG9h4W/HI3jSTCSy9EzzINdT9DRpe1c9VlM5ihlZdFq7PhsPAyGf 72FGud4R2JfaeUsEiwE+IWQHW79vdUrDypSlDdQsbhuJMup8Xu+XeBFJtyq+I5Dd Wq29WSxsRwFXyoDnhhVMNfI8OcIx9kMU3Px8EYJKUN2/NbWD/yWL5/JZBjc590cl nnyWDmx6rkLVOBLZgNM52zi+f0ormmMBHfK8PkCDY+cWLYQqS5SEpVK1wHOdrFUQ z3OnCLzefSLosQchnLzkycT/AVZxoFTFYI0dgfG9O2m0hDHQRYCuZ/5kb+VHHbcs X4z8OBIC0yz1d0bQSEEjbnL5kCEfyGL0OaigMwrfL3pYJ/Yb9gVjjwlK5ie95nH9 IIVufvT+PqfMzsaPvfg= =gVFm -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- D