On 9/8/16 7:17 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:

     On 09/08/2016 10:03 PM, Mirimir wrote:
     > On 09/08/2016 07:39 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
     >> On 09/05/2016 12:15 PM, Александр wrote:
     >> Well that's odd.  I wonder what it's about?  Splitting the list
     >> into what?  Two with different themes?  One Moderated and one
     >> Unmoderated?
     > There are many lists out there for stuff that Александр and Zenaan
     > are posting. It's not that cypherpunk is apolitical. Rather, it's
     > that stuff which simply bashes one side or the other, but has no
     > particular connection to crypto and its social/economic/political
     > role/potential is just plainly off-topic.
     Sounds right to me.

   +1

     - From my own posting history it's clear that I don't mind pushing
     content that addresses the methods of practical politics, and some
     of
     the theory behind same.  The connection of this to crypto etc. is
     that
     it illustrates contexts in which crypto (and by extension pretty
     much
     all network security considerations) can be productively used to
     support political means and ends.  Hence relevant to threat models,
     product designs, education and support activities for crypto-centric
     applications.
     So far I'm not getting flamed for that.

   +1

     >> If the latter, that's a perilous course.  One sees a lot of
     >> "twin" lists and such that are one sterile and stereotyped, the
     >> other totally overrun with tards.  Because once upon a time, half
     >> or more of the people on the original list who took an interest
     >> in keeping it alive /without/ censorship bailed, and those who
     >> stayed behind were gradually overwhelmed.
     > There's no need to do anything with the cypherpunks list. If
     > people object to off-topic crap, they can say so. If people object
     > to being criticized for posting off-topic crap, they can deal with
     > it or leave. That's just how unmoderated lists work.
     Also sounds right to me.  Don't let's pretend we can't do it - some
     of
     the subscribers on this list are veterans of USENET.

   Yes, for years, especially early on before the Web.  I setup and ran
   uucp links for email too.  I even engineered a satellite
   uplink/downlink over satellite channels normally used for fax
   transmission.  LIG stands for "The Local Internet Gateway" company.

     "Cypherpunks of the world unite - You have nothing to lose but your
     barbed wire!"
     ;o)

   sdw