On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:40 PM juan <[1]juan.g71@gmail.com> wrote:

     On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 23:25:35 +0000
     Sean Lynch <[2]seanl@literati.org> wrote:
     > On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 4:20 PM juan <[3]juan.g71@gmail.com>
     wrote:
     >
     > >
     > >         Yes, do whatever you need to do so that the wife doesn't
     > > kick you out 'her' house
     > >
     >
     > I find it amusing that you think this would insult a normal
     person.
             I'm glad you are amused =)
             And what does 'normal' mean? It simply means to go along
     with
             whatever stupidity and/or attrocities are fashionable at the
             time. Normal == average.

   Well "normal" in this case is being in a relatioship where you're on
   equal terms with your partner (hence the term "partner") and thus
   aren't concerned about accusations of being subservient. Some people
   prefer different arrangements, which is fine, and as long as they feel
   seucre about the arrangement they have, they also wouldn't be insulted
   by such accusations. Hence "normal." "Abnormal" would be defining one's
   self-worth based on their ability to exercise power over some other
   group and never being subservient to a member of that group.
   Of course, for most of humanity's existence the latter was actually
   "normal." but for 99.999% of that period we'd be facing off in person
   over such a claim and one of us would beat down the other, thus
   "proving" who was in fact more masculine and thus capable of violence.
   Which made sense in a world where what mainly mattered, at least for
   men, was how much violence you could produce. Seems to me that
   cypherpunks is not really about maintaining a world where might makes
   right, though.

             So yeah, tor is a great tool for freedom and appelbaum is a
             rapist. And you who don't believe in 'conspiracy theories'
     get
             your data from mob hearsay.

   The "mob" is just whoever's on the side you disagree with. You want to
   portray them as unthinking, just going with the crowd. But what are you
   doing? Jake is a hero to you, and a fellow man, and you already
   believed Tor wasn't to be trusted, so no thought is even necessary.
   He's "obviously" innocent and the victim of a smear campaign.
   But name a public rape accusation that hasn't instantly had multiple
   smear campaigns spin up against the *accusers*. That's happening here,
   not just against his direct accusers, but against the people who
   believe his accusers, and the people who believe the people who believe
   his accusers. People who had barely even heard of Shari Steele before
   are saying the nastiest things about her. I'm getting accused of
   "licking my wife's boots."
   There are clear and obvious smear campaigns going on here, and not a
   lot of rational thought. I'm inclined to just discount "the usual
   suspects" whom the MRA label fits like a glove, and to believe people
   who had to write public announcements that were clearly very difficult
   for them and put their reputations on the line and shake up an
   important project.
   You talk about not needing enemies with "libertarians like me", but you
   obviously "need" enemies because you see them around every single
   corner. You have considered Tor an enemy from the start, and now you're
   ready to write off the CDC, CCC, Debian, Shari Steele and probably the
   EFF in one fell swoop.
   Which would be easier, orchestrating a smear campaign with multiple
   false accusations of rape and sexual misconduct against a
   well-respected member of a major software project, or to take advantage
   of such an opportunity when it arose to cause a bunch of people to
   distrust a bunch of critical freedom-oriented organizations?
   But really, I suspect the only thing the TLAs need for this particular
   battle is a large supply of popcorn. But given that I expect a lot more
   projects and organizations will be starting to purge their own
   Appelbaums and/or encouraging them to start treating women and everyone
   else like human beings.
   Speaking of "everyone else", I note you call Chelsea Manning "he",
   presumably because doing the opposite of what the "PC crowd" wants you
   to do is more important to you than civility, even (perhaps especially)
   to people who have suffered from discrimination all their lives.
   WIth "libertarians" like you, it's no surprise that few people who care
   in the slightest about anyone who's not exactly like them is willing to
   identify themselves as "libertarian." Because your "liiberty" is not
   "free to be you and me," it's just "free to be me." You want the
   freedom but not the responsibility to think about the consequences of
   your actions for others. No wonder you're such an Appelbaum fan: he's
   exactly what you aspire to be.

References

   1. mailto:juan.g71@gmail.com
   2. mailto:seanl@literati.org
   3. mailto:juan.g71@gmail.com