And signal refuses to work with my SIP number on Android 6. Which makes
   it almost a non starter (that and the stated lack of adoption)..
   John

   On July 29, 2016 10:51:09 AM EDT, Rayzer <rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:

     On 07/28/2016 10:47 PM, Bastiani Fortress wrote:

     I installed signal on my phone with some enthusiasm, but it's
     practically useless because no one around me adopted it yet. It's
     sad that once a "social" app dominates the market, it's very hard to
     get people to switch to better alternatives unless there is a
     security scandal or something. Same goes with ring...

     Personally I think having to expose the phone number of a smartphone
     to another user to establish a chat is an incredible security risk
     in the short and long run and leads to all sorts of metadata
     harvesting of your unencrypted info. It appears one should keep a
     low-budget smartphone for that use instead of their main number for
     better persec.Â
     I questioned Morgan Mayhem (Intercept's sysadmin/cybersec guy) about
     that when he broached how secure signal is (he's one of the
     developers) on his twitter feed. Never got a reply.
     Telegram allows the use of an @name instead of exposing your number
     if you set up an account but I'm unsure what happens when a
     connection is established and the contact is added to you contact
     list
     Rr

     4:53 AM, July 29, 2016, Rayzer [1]<rayzer@riseup.net>:

     Apple’s iMessage too! ("Signal leaves virtually nothing.")
     Quote source @thegrugq, Twitter
     [2]https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/758833939020521472
     WhatsApp Forensic Artifacts: Chats Aren’t Being Deleted
     Posted on July 28, 2016
     Sorry, folks, while experts are saying the encryption checks out in
     WhatsApp, it looks like the latest version of the app tested leaves
     forensic trace of all of your chats, even after you’ve deleted,
     cleared,
     or archived them… even if you “Clear All Chats�. In fact, the
     only way
     to get rid of them appears to be to delete the app entirely.
     To test, I installed the app and started a few different threads. I
     then
     archived some, cleared, some, and deleted some threads. I made a
     second
     backup after running the “Clear All Chats� function in WhatsApp.
     None of
     these deletion or archival options made any difference in how
     deleted
     records were preserved. In all cases, the deleted SQLite records
     remained intact in the database.
     More, including 'How WhatsApp Can Fix This':
     [3]http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=6143

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References

   1. mailto:rayzer@riseup.net
   2. https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/758833939020521472
   3. http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=6143