On 07/20/2016 09:56 AM, Sean Lynch wrote:

   On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 9:43 AM Rayzer <[1]rayzer@riseup.net> wrote:

     Personally, from having talked to people who knew him that I've
     known for years, I am inclined to believe that Appelbaum did at
     least most of what he's accused of. But I blame the community for
     tolerating it and saying nothing at least as much as I blame him. He
     could not have existed without the legions of fanboys who, when they
     saw him trying to force a kiss on a woman,

   Source please. No source and it didn't happen. Supply a source and it
   still might not have happened.

   I'm not interested in trying to convince you or anyone else that it
   happened. I am telling you why *I* am convinced. You can decide I'm
   stupid if you like, just like I'll decide you're motivated by other
   reasons besides just thinking there's a government/SJW conspiracy.

   The conspiracy is organizational, and feudal in nature. I've seen
   similar and anyone whose ever worked for a corporation has seen similar
   slander campaigns.

   What I'm seeing here is hearsay.

   Yep. Innocent until proven guilty only applies in court. For all
   others, it's preponderance of evidence. You certainly don't seem to
   require any evidence to believe his accusers are liars.

   Innocent until proven guilty. That's the way it's supposed to work in
   'Merica. IF it was so widely observed why haven't charges been filed
   anywhere about anything. Until then, it's ALL BULLSHIT.

   Lots of that going around... Ask Juan. It's one of his his specialties.

   As I've said before, a large fraction of what we do is subjective and
   very personal. And subject to a lot of passion. Nothing wrong with
   that.

   Sorry Passion is no excuse for rumor-mongering.
   I just happen to know WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE who have been falsely accused
   like this, and eventually their accusers moved on, along with their
   Orcs. No one misses them.
   Rr

References

   1. mailto:rayzer@riseup.net