And the guy that started telegram wasnt even treated this way in russia
   ... they asked to access accounts for a platform he developed he said
   no and left the country never to return thats why we have telegram ...
   he just moves around the planet prolly has a swiss like untouchable
   bank account or 2

   If people are surprised by this kind of USG action then that for me is
   scary .. USG been seriously dead long time now - never was really alive
   as it likes to propagandize

   On Mar 17, 2016 3:55 PM, "Bill Cox" <[1]waywardgeek@gmail.com> wrote:

   Wow, this is scary.  It sounds like Lavabit was fined $5,000 per day
   until it handed over the encryption keys for its email service, and
   that Lavabit further had a gag order and could say nothing about it.
   Here's the text of this order:
   ORDER
   This matter comes before the Court on the motion of the government for
   sanctions for failure to comply with this Court's order entered August
   2, 2013. For the reasons stated in the government's motion, and
   pursuantto Title 18, United States Code. Section 401, it is hereby
   ORDERED that the motion for sanctions is granted; It isfurther ORDERED
   that, if the encryption keys necessary to implement the pen register
   and trap and trace device are not provided to the FBI in PEM or
   equivalent electronic formal by noon (CDT) on August 5, 2013, a fine of
   five thousand dollars ($5,000.00) shall be imposed on Lavabit LLC and
   Mr. Levison; It is further ORDERED that, if the encryption keys
   necessary to implement the pen register and trap and trace device are
   not provided to the FBI in PEM or equivalent electronic format by noon
   (CDT) each day thereafter beginning August 6, 2013, a fine of five
   thousand dollars ($5,000.00) shall be imposed on Lavabit LLC and Mr.
   Levison for each day of noncompliance; and
   It is further ORDERED that the government's motion for sanctions and
   this Order shall remain under seal until further order of this Court
   As an ethical matter, I believe our government should tell its citizens
   what form of spying on our private communications it is doing, and
   under what conditions.  Seeing our government do this sort of thing in
   secret scares the heck out of me.  It is certainly not what I thought
   would happen in the USA.
   Bill

   On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 5:39 PM, John Young <[2]jya@pipeline.com>
   wrote:

     USG v. Lavabit-Snowden Files Unsealed:
     [3]https://cryptome.org/2016/03/usg-lavabit-unsealed.pdf (560 pp,
     140MB)
     Precursor to USG v. Apple.
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   2. mailto:jya@pipeline.com
   3. https://cryptome.org/2016/03/usg-lavabit-unsealed.pdf
   4. mailto:cryptography@metzdowd.com
   5. http://www.metzdowd.com/mailman/listinfo/cryptography
   6. mailto:cryptography@metzdowd.com
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