For those who may be curious, I was recently sent some information on the history of CSpace. The info has been included in the README: [1]https://github.com/jmcvetta/cspace#history Please note I have no insight into the accuracy of this history. It was provided unsolicited by a person I've never met. On Wed, Dec 31, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Seth <[2]list@sysfu.com> wrote: On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 16:51:44 -0800, Seth <[3]list@sysfu.com> wrote: "Things become "catastrophic" for the NSA at level five - when, for example, a subject uses a combination of Tor, another anonymization service, the instant messaging system CSpace and a system for Internet telephony (voice over IP) called ZRTP. This type of combination results in a "near-total loss/lack of insight to target communications, presence," the NSA document states. John Gilmore dug up the Cspace software (see below), and I believe this is the Trilight software/service mentioned in the NSA docs: [4]https://www.trilightzone.org/ Return-Path: Received: from [6]new.toad.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by [7]new.toad.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id sBV5oaCl013715; Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:50:36 -0800 Message-Id: <201412310550.sBV5oaCl013715[at][8]new.toad.com> To: cryptography[at][9]metzdowd.com, gnu[at][10]toad.com Subject: "Catastrophic" for NSA: Tor+ Trilight Zone + Cspace + ZRTP on Linux Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:50:36 -0800 From: John Gilmore Nice to hear that there's some software that makes NSA go deaf, dumb and blind. Here is the Snowden release that mentions it (page 20): "Presentation from the SIGDEV Conference 2012 explaining which encryption protocols and techniques can be attacked and which not" [12]http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35535.pdf I found cspace ([13]http://cspace.aabdalla.com/), which was a bit obscure and hasn't seen any maintenance since 2009 or so. Its dependency ncrypt-0.6.4's source code is at Pypi and ncrypt-0.6.4 is in current Ubuntu distros. But I haven't yet found Trilight Zone. Any clues? And I haven't found a reliable, usable, simple, free software VoIP client for Linux, let alone one that uses ZRTP. Though I admit I gave up on looking about a year ago when I couldn't get anything to actually work. John References 1. https://github.com/jmcvetta/cspace#history 2. mailto:list@sysfu.com 3. mailto:list@sysfu.com 4. https://www.trilightzone.org/ 5. http://new.toad.com/ 6. http://new.toad.com/ 7. http://new.toad.com/ 8. http://new.toad.com/ 9. http://metzdowd.com/ 10. http://toad.com/ 11. http://new.toad.com/ 12. http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35535.pdf 13. http://cspace.aabdalla.com/