Andre - maybe there is some work happening that your unaware of - as if
   we are made more conscious of these really beautiful shifts i think it
   can help create even more thru sort of momentum

   Its not as monolithic as you state - multifacitity is really how life
   works

   I have info about towns with their own currencies - lending libraries
   that lend much more than books - food deserts being turned into
   community garden spaces in urban areas - alternative banking structures
   being developed - tesla shit - massive growth in the cooperative sector
   globally - indigenous people not allowing destruction of the land -
   hackers taking information and dissiminating it to the people to
   produce higher levels of consciousness - highly productive scientists
   developing methodologies of clean energy without the state apparatus
   and discounting government as inneffective - environmetally cleaner
   tech ...

   Shedding the snake skin of the choking state

   On Oct 29, 2015 1:22 PM, "Lodewijk andré de la porte" <[1]l@odewijk.nl>
   wrote:

   2015-10-29 18:35 GMT+01:00 Shelley <[2]shelley@misanthropia.org>:

   The idea that one has to be "forced" to act in the common interest is
   disheartening, especially now.

   I'm sorry, but there's only so much one will do with disregard of self.
   I feel like this discussion has starved. There's a distinct lack of
   depth and logic, and now the meaningless arguments are drying. There
   has been naught in the way of designer societies, let alone the code we
   can write to help get there. Mostly it's the powerless contemplating
   how fair it would be if they weren't.

References

   1. mailto:l@odewijk.nl
   2. mailto:shelley@misanthropia.org